EVE General Discussion

If the isk is so bad in highsec why is it that I can afford to pay for 2 additional pvp accounts through plex just off my sales in jita and Amar? hmmm puzzle me that.....

From your last comment about propaganda it obviously did, way over. You just don't realise why.

Even drunks have opinions....Doesn't mean they are valid.

And using alts to generate a discussion.....pretty typical.

Personally I don't know why you think anyone would read what he has to say...other than Goons or Goon alts (Paid for by the endless tech faucet).....

Well, yeah, most EVE players can go on without reading this. I wish I had this much time to write bullshit about nothing important with horrible analysis. Then again, I had time to read it.

Mittens - HaHa Poor guy. He is so cute.
And this guy wanted other people to kill themselves?

You're just mad that a couple forum posts of counter-propaganda annihilated your fancy dedicated website and trillion isk bankroll. Hail to the real master baby, I am open for contractual opportunities foe the use of my expertise.

No, you're completely wrong. The Mittani didn't write this article, it's just hosted on his site. I'm not particularly a fan either, as I find him to be very arrogant for someone his age, but on the other hand, I'm not a sheep who falls prey to passing judgement based on the hear-say of a ******* internet forum.

Just so there is no confusion, I'm neither an alt, a goonswarm supporter, involved in the website form which this article was written or involved in the CFC in anyway whatsover. In fact, by Goon standards I think I would be considered the enemy since I was in STEMP for some time.

As for the general message of the article, I think the important thing here isn't a discussion about the Exhumer nerf, but the general idea of "increased saftey" of high sec and wether or not the direction CCP is currently taking (making it safer) is the correct one and I suppose wether or not this is something they are in fact actually doing as the articles consipiracy attempts to point out.

I get the fact that its a gankers whine article to a great degree, I don't think even James would deny that part of this article is a complaint about nerfing ganking. I do however think their is a point to be made about this and many other changes being a general push to turn High Sec into a "no pvp zone". I think this is the important part Eve players should be discussing.

Forcing the miners to be creative, pity it was not doing the same for the suicide pilots. At least now the suicide pilots will have to be more creative as you put it.


The change was a needed one, as suicide ganking was just easy isk.


Games develop over time, like the rise in the number of suicide pilots so if it starts to be a problem, then it needs to be rebalanced which is what they've done.

I don't see it as dumbing the game down where suicide pilots are concerned. Before the cost to a suicide pilot was minimal compared to the lose their target suffered. Now it will cost more to kill a target which should balance the costs better. So it really is just a rebalance of a lame mechanic, making it a bit less lame.

Miners were literally too stupid to fit a tank, they howled on the forums and CCP decided to give them a "handicap" which is more base EHP. Kind of funny how one side is forced to adapt repeatedly but the other gets everything handed to it.



Citation required, npc alt.



Was their a rise in gankers or was their just a rise in forum howling? Basic biology covers this kind of thing here.

http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Predator-prey_relationship

^: That is a good description of it but I'll say it here for the lazy people. When you have many miners along with many gankers, the gankers have less targets and eventually become disinterested. They go do something else because they can't find something to kill, this is analogous to dieing via starvation. This will lead to few miners and few gankers, with their being fewer gankers to "prey" on the miners, miners will end up proliferating and you'll get a situation where there many miners and few gankers. The gankers have plenty of targets so people will see their success at ganking and decide to join in, this puts you back at many miners along with many gankers.

Its not a perfect explanation but its fitting for this situation, there wouldn't be a lot of gankers out there if there was a lack of targets, they'd have nothing to do, you can't AFK-gank and there is no such thing as a ganking bot. The system would eventually correct itself and it did not need CCP to intervene. As an aside there are economic considerations that play into my above explanation but I'm not wasting the time on it because all I expect is NPC alt bleating.

How is simply giving a ship that natural ability to resist ganks *not* dumbing it down. It was perfectly possible to get them tanked up before anyway, but some miners just won't do that.

There is irony here in that the counter argument that 'tanking my ship doesn't make mining worthwhile' is patently *wrong*. If this is ever the case, the value of those lower order minerals rises to compensate, making it worthwhile for those that do it. The assumption that mining becomes 'worthless' is just misdirected ire at the real problem of mining being pants-******* boring. But even then, ******* DO something about it.

The rising tide of entitlement in people has had a serious effect on Eve (see WoW). James rightly points out that simply altering the rules of the game to 'help' these player is a short term goal which will end in disaster.

Here's my story - after years of playing I had 100 million to my name, and a couple of ships. I had a great time running with the Knights of the Wild back in the day when Foundation where our neighbours. After becoming something of a diplomat, I burnt out, as often one does, and decided to take a break - for about 4 years.

PLEX happened in the interim, and when I heard about it, I spent RM and fired my account back up again. I was now a billionaire. And I became very, very bored. I've recently come back again, after quiting with a new resolution - BURN the money. I've been gradually been whittling it down, and now making money is an issue again. Now my goal is - mine in complete safety in Hi-sec, or move to low sec (not the time available to commit to Null).

I'm in the process of moving to Egbinger, and you know what? It's ******* EMPTY. Great for me making money, but what the **** has happened? People forget that it's not the goal, but the journey, as the cliché goes. If you make it easy on people, which the exhumer buff unconditionally does, then all they do is mine for a bunch of money without every engaging in the game, get bored or try PVP and get ******* obliterated and LEAVE, because there is no content in Eve, save what players make for themselves! This is a bad direction to take!