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Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2012-08-28 18:21:15 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Carebears don't care about the game, they care only about themselves, and they will destroy this game if they get the chance.




Really? Of course you know every carebear personally, as you must do to make such a bold statement.


You're just spouting propaganda, good job most people can think for themselves.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#202 - 2012-08-28 18:41:19 UTC
Sabrina Solette wrote:
most people can think for themselves.


Hahahahaha.

Oh wait, you're serious... Shocked

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Lol

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Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#203 - 2012-08-28 18:43:56 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
most people can think for themselves.


Hahahahaha.

Oh wait, you're serious... Shocked

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Lol




Of course I'm serious, well at least about those that can be bothered to think for themselves.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#204 - 2012-08-28 18:49:27 UTC
Sabrina Solette wrote:
You're just spouting propaganda, good job most people can think for themselves.

Am I? What gives you the impression I'm not thinking for myself here?

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Din Chao
#205 - 2012-08-28 18:51:55 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Din Chao wrote:

How informed you must be, going through life avoiding the mere mention of certain names. I sincerely hope you do not live in a country that allows you to elect its leaders.


Bang that gong, shill, bang that gong. Cool

At least not my country, I hope...
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#206 - 2012-08-28 18:54:53 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
You're just spouting propaganda, good job most people can think for themselves.

Am I? What gives you the impression I'm not thinking for myself here?



Well your statement that I refered to is not based on fact. But it is what you would like people to think.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#207 - 2012-08-28 19:00:33 UTC
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Well your statement that I refered to is not based on fact. But it is what you would like people to think.

Interesting. Carebears ruined UO, wouldn't you agree?

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#208 - 2012-08-28 19:01:59 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Well your statement that I refered to is not based on fact. But it is what you would like people to think.

Interesting. Carebears ruined UO, wouldn't you agree?




Never played UO, but I'm sure there's more to it than that.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#209 - 2012-08-28 19:03:55 UTC
yeah eve online, a game known far and wide for its amazing mining and mission content, would grow so much if it wasn't for all the suicide ganking l0l

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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#210 - 2012-08-28 19:06:41 UTC
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Well your statement that I refered to is not based on fact. But it is what you would like people to think.

Interesting. Carebears ruined UO, wouldn't you agree?




Never played UO, but I'm sure there's more to it than that.


Those that are unable to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

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Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#211 - 2012-08-28 19:08:08 UTC
Andski wrote:
yeah eve online, a game known far and wide for its amazing mining and mission content, would grow so much if it wasn't for all the suicide ganking l0l



Sarcasm from Andski, who would have thought that was possible.
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#212 - 2012-08-28 19:08:15 UTC
Yet more "come here so I can kill you!" whining from the old-timers. They can get good fights any time they want by running a camped gate, wandering into sov space in null, or just joining RvB in highsec. The fact that most of these complainers don't do that says a lot. They don't want a fair fight -- they want to gank unarmed miners out busting rocks in some belt. Why? Who the hell knows? I've never understood the ganker/griefer mindset.

And before the inevitable "EVE is supposed to be harsh and cold" replies, just save it. I've heard it a million times, and I don't believe it any more now than I did the first time I heard it. If the gankers/griefers are such hard-asses, why are they ganking miners in hisec?

"Sandbox" means I play the game the way I want to. I PVP in the markets and against other industrialists. If you want to play spacewar and get your pretty ships exploded, go ahead -- plenty of that going out in lowsec, null, and w-space. Head out there and pew away. I'll be happy to sell you replacement ships and gear when you come limping back to hisec to refit and lick your wounds.

My favorite parts of EVE have nothing to do with combat. I like watching my industrial empire grow: going from a humble little mining frigate to multiple exhumers, a freighter, and an Orca. I like building things and getting them to market. I like exploring; that little thrill of scanning down a tough site is almost more fun than actually running the site I just found. I like hanging around with my corpies on a lazy weekend-afternoon mining op, catching up on in-game and RL business. There's a lot of ways to play the game, and this is the way I choose to play it. If I can't play the game the way I want to, then I won't stay in the game -- and I think a lot of players feel the same way.

Also, everybody who complains that EVE is getting soft has obviously never tried to run a C5/C6 wormhole. I've personally never survived even a C3 roam -- those damned Sleeper rats are worse than most human players you'll come up against. Scram, web, neut, remote reppers, omni damage...holy crap.
ashley Eoner
#213 - 2012-08-28 19:08:56 UTC
Kryss Darkdust wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
I don't get why people cry about the mining barge buffs. It 's natural for NPC companies to develop better defences for mining ships when they are expected to be frequently attacked by pirates. People learn to adapt and develop solutions to suit their needs so it makes sense that mining ships would become stronger to suit the needs of the miners.


Your correct, but in defense of the article what the author was saying is that players already had the option to adapt and they don't work for NPC corporations, they work for themselves. Tanking up a mining ship to avoid a suicide gank was extremely easy to do and 100% effective before the patch. People simply didn't do it, hence the point to make is that players refused to adapt, so CCP adapted the game for them. I agree with author that this is not a good way to go about developing a competitive game. If players can't adapt because the mechanics are unfair, than yea, fix them... but if you have the option to adapt and you simply ignore it because the rewards are better if you choose not to tank out your miner, than you have a made a conscious player choice and should live with the consequences. Thats kind of like saying that an industrial player chose not to put warp stabilizers on his industrial ship because he filled it with cargo expanders and than came to CCP and demanded 5 free points on the industrial ships because its not fair that they can be warp scrammed. I don't think anyone would agree this is a good idea, but its effectively what happen with exhumers.

The only question here is should there be consequences in high sec? Is a game without consequences fun? I think these are some of the fundamental questions about suicide ganking.
As someone that tanked their stuff pre-change I saw the rebalancing as a much needed thing. IF you look beyond the tank the exhumer/barge change was something that should of been done years ago. Now finally for the first time you have real choices when you head out to mine and finally the Hulk isn't the end all of mining goals for all play styles. CCP gave miners tools that are now useful and instead of seeing that all you can do is QQ about people using heavier tanked ships. Which is funny because your thread also QQs about miners not adapting and fitting a tank. Now that they have a tank fitted you're QQing that they can fit a tank.. I'm just happy that the procurere skiff are no longer completely useless and the mack/retriever is actually seeing usage outside of extremely limited circumstances.
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#214 - 2012-08-28 19:09:15 UTC
William Walker wrote:
Kryss Darkdust wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Saw the name - james 315.

Stopped right there.

It is probably best for james if folk do not encourage his really strange obsession with miners.

His article will be about miners and how they are destroying Eve. He should change his name to James One-Note.

The self obsessed ego and the miner obsessed ego.


I have to agree with you there, I did find that their seemed to be some sort of deep rooted hatred of miners in the tone, but despite it I found his arguments pretty compelling as a whole.

I suppose the outlining question is, would it be bad for Eve if High Sec was perfectly safe and Eve had a larger population as a trade off?


What good is a bigger population if I can not shoot them?


Welcome to WoW?

The LULZ Boat.
Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
#215 - 2012-08-28 19:10:17 UTC
Kryss Darkdust wrote:
I think this is probably the first topic I have created in over 3 years on Eve Forums, but after reading the linked article I came to the conclusion that every single Eve player needs to read it. I would be very curious to hear the opinions on it.

http://themittani.com/features/road-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future



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Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2012-08-28 19:10:36 UTC
Virgil Travis wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Well your statement that I refered to is not based on fact. But it is what you would like people to think.

Interesting. Carebears ruined UO, wouldn't you agree?




Never played UO, but I'm sure there's more to it than that.


Those that are unable to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.



More propaganda, seems like it's good day for it.
Brit Green
Hagkaup
#217 - 2012-08-28 19:12:44 UTC
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No Eve Player Should Miss This Article


I disagree.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#218 - 2012-08-28 19:14:38 UTC
Matriarch Prime wrote:
I I get that some players are mad that older player (like me) can sit in high security, enjoy its safety while making a decent "living", that somehow even though there is much more to gain in low/null sec, that that isn't enough. I must be forced into pvp...kicking and screaming if necessary. I've proposed solutions to this delima, but I'm not so naive to think I was the first.


Let me spell out the problem then.

Some people want to "get more subs" thinking it will be good for the game. To do that they suggest more content and safer high sec ect ect. They offer to us null sec people they idea that "hey, some of thos people will go to low and null and pew pew so you should be happy".

But we aren't, because we have a general idea of how the game works. EVE's economy lives on consuption (destruction of ships, modules, stuctures, expending ammo ect ect). More carebear freindly EVE means more carebears in high sec, cranking out stuff from LP stores, more isk, more minerals, more everything, with no guarantee that a sufficent number of the "new subs" people will go out into null sec/low sec and pew pew.

EVE needs "carebears" to be hold, but too many and the economy ends up sucking in the exact same way having to many pvp'rs "overfishing" the game would. The MMO world is PVE carebear friendly, the only thing CCP needs to do for the game is find a way to get more "consumers" into the game, not more "builders and harvesters".

When we oppose the carebearization of the game, we are simply defending the EVE way of life.
Josef Djugashvilis
#219 - 2012-08-28 19:14:42 UTC
Ensign X wrote:
Trust me when I tell you that your EVE Forum reading pleasure will be exponentially increased by blocking / hiding posts by the following players:

  • James315
  • PipaPorto
  • baltec1

Even if you never read the massive whine threads they create and frequent, you literally cannot go wrong by avoiding the drivel they exude on the rest of these forums on a daily basis.


I have never, and would never block anyone.

I just have a mental snooze whenever I see another tedious anti-miner, 'Eve is going to hell in a handcart because some folk mine' self-regarding/self-promoting post by james.

Pipa Porto, Baltec1 and mittens etc at least have the virtue of being reasonably interesting and keeping their posts quite short and to the point.

Ladie Harlot was my all time favourite for absolutely insane, but highly entertaining posts.

This is not a signature.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#220 - 2012-08-28 19:14:45 UTC
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Virgil Travis wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Well your statement that I refered to is not based on fact. But it is what you would like people to think.

Interesting. Carebears ruined UO, wouldn't you agree?




Never played UO, but I'm sure there's more to it than that.


Those that are unable to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.



More propaganda, seems like it's good day for it.


It's obvious that went so far over your head that it's now in orbit.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.