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Blueprints does it makes sense?!
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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-08-28 16:41:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Alx Warlord
So, WTF is going on in EVE industry? why do people fly spaceships and still use "Mechanical drawings" in PAPER or some wierd destructible media1?!?!!111!!!

Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueprint

For things to make sense , EVE Blueprints should be a computer code that defines the production sequence for the object to be constructed, then using this codes on nanomachines ( nanofactory ) could consume the materials and produce the ship/module like in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKcEwUcVBHs

But being virtual data, it makes no sense having the Blueprint restricted as an Item... And capsulers should be able to download/upload the BPO it in their memory or something like this... and then command the nanofactory.

BPCs also makes no sense.... since it should have the same data as the BPO to produce the object, how can it have a limited number of runs? The concept of runs came from the maximum number of copies that could be extracted using alcohol to pass the blue ink of the first blueprints to other papers...

Can someone think a batter way to explain BPC and BPO existence and/ or have a better idea?

--------------------------------EDIT-----------------------------

OK, after some discussion we can assume that BPO and BPC are Copyrighted files of the corporation that owns the patent of the object, so you basically only need the allowance of the corporation to use their patent. And it comes in a BPO/BPC shape.

So, the data inside the BPO or the BPC are not as important as the copyright, that is linked to the owner of the license (BPO). And as long as you have a BPO Copyright you can use the Data as you want... Including making limited uses lesser licenses.

But if we consider that Technology is advanced, the Huge datas could be saved in small storanges (much more then today), And I mean the POD computer or in the capsuler mind.


[Suggestion] - Blueprint Tab on character Sheet

- Give a Tab on the character sheet where Blueprints could be stored.
- Players would be able to place and remove Blueprints from this tab
- Upon Use or research, the blueprint License would be unavailable until the job is complete. Instead of being hold psychically in the process.

Pro:
-This would make/allow players Laboratories to move from hi-sec to low, null and unknow sec space. Since Blueprints would be more secure.
- Increase POS use over stations and outposts use.
- It would be safer to move blueprints and copies, unless they are not inserted on character Blueprint sheet.
- Industrial players would love this, and economy would heat up!!!

Con:
-Programming time
-?

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Krahazik Dragon
Black Crown Munitions
#2 - 2012-08-28 16:55:20 UTC
In second life I deal with digital assets all the time and I have some assets which are "flagged" as non copy-able. This means that even though it is just data, if I rez or place the item some where in the virtual world, it leaves my inventory. When I pick it up it returns to my inventory. If I give it to another player it leaves my inventory and appears in the inventory of the other player and I effectively loose it.

Blueprint could just be the term used for the design schematics of a ship, object or device which is stored on digital media marked as copy-able or non-copy-able. This of having an SD card with data you can't copy from the card. You can read it all day long but can't copy the data from the card onto another card. You might be able to transfer the data from one card to another, but there is still just that 1 copy. Its removed from the old location and shows up at the new location. All done in the software of the computer systems used by our ships and station in EVE. EVE's form of digital rights management.

Dose that make any sense.

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Corteztkiller
Trivium
#3 - 2012-08-28 16:57:04 UTC
It's just like the copy rights on music you get from Itunes.
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-08-28 16:59:51 UTC
And about pirate ships?

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-08-28 17:13:12 UTC
And what would happen to invention? This idea would render bpc non existent. I say no blueprints ate fine as is

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#6 - 2012-08-28 18:01:50 UTC
Who ever said the BPs in EVE are paper?

Digital assets can be locked from copying. So an uncopyable copy is perfectly logical .
Selaya Ataru
Phalanx Solutions
#7 - 2012-08-28 18:41:08 UTC
Alx Warlord wrote:
And about pirate ships?


A patent is a patent.

Either way BPO are likely encoded files, or possibly use a system comparable to bitcoins that requires massive cpu power to "create" BPCs.
Deena Amaj
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-08-28 18:50:03 UTC
Following what Selaya Ataru said,
the blueprint is likely just a classic term without using a big technobabble terms.

Also, dude, it is unfortunte that it doesn't matter how CCP would have called it.

There would be somebody bitching about it being called "Hyperplex Dataquad: Vagabond" etc then.

But I know what you mean :D

confirthisposmed

I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them.
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-08-28 19:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Alx Warlord
OK, so we can assume that BPO and BPC are Copyrighted files of the corporation that owns the patent of the object, so you basically only need the allowance of the corporation to use their patent. And it comes in a BPO/BPC shape.

Editing the main post

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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-08-29 00:47:31 UTC
Alx Warlord wrote:
-This would make/allow players Laboratories to move from hi-sec to low, null and unknow sec space. Since Blueprints would be more secure.-?



its not the bp security thats an issue, its the logistics. Low and null need jf's damn near to make logisitcs not suck ass. Carry fuel to pos, carry whatever pos is making back to empire. No skills, isk or desire to run jf's (and setup the midpoint chains on routes) people will still be in empire. Those with jf's....well they already do this by and large. Smart ones anyway. The smart ones I know their jlow sec ump route midpoint safe pos's either mine crap moon goo or run reactions. makes their safe midpoints pos' earn the isk to keep em running no cost plus moar profit for the month by and large.


0.0...many corps will happily let you run a pos. Its not bp security that scares people away. Mnay places I ahve been, get your personal POS...and the caveat is you get corp pos tacked on to upkeep with it. POS slave detail....most try to avod this.

Well that and with an alt corp run pos in empire your mains' pvp crew can be dec'd all year round, alt run pos in empire keeps on running no issues (unless a merc crew dec's it anyway lol). Protip: when in 0.0, best to have a steady empire based income flow for the rainy days you get in 0.0. Stuff works, my indy alt setup made more than I lost on campaigns I could not rat during since pvp full time. Nice setup, I didn't go broke. Hell could make plex payments most of the time as well.

TL;DR....lots of 0.0 types like their pos' right where they are, less than 8 jumps to a trade hub like jita.

Not in blob and not in provi....even if in unclaimed bfe space, someone bored will pop it. One less pos is one less staging pos in the future. Or jsut to be dicks, take your pick.

Katalci
EVE University
Ivy League
#11 - 2012-08-29 01:45:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Katalci
Blueprints are already 100% secure. (this is a bad thing but your idea is way worse) Use a jump freighter or blackops.
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-08-29 03:34:32 UTC
Katalci wrote:
Blueprints are already 100% secure. (this is a bad thing but your idea is way worse) Use a jump freighter or blackops.


Why making a blueprint something secure is something bad? why? They are 100% secure now... but they have 0 mobility or are only moved with big tanked ships... what do we lose with this?

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#13 - 2012-08-29 03:43:33 UTC
its a license. Dont take blueprint literaly.

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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-08-29 03:46:36 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:


TL;DR....lots of 0.0 types like their pos' right where they are, less than 8 jumps to a trade hub like jita.

Not in blob and not in provi....even if in unclaimed bfe space, someone bored will pop it. One less pos is one less staging pos in the future. Or jsut to be dicks, take your pick.



I know about the Hi-sec POS industrial slavery, and I also know that noone takes a capital ship BPO out of the station, at most they make a copy and move it around...

Don't you think it ADD to the game? allowing players that moves allot, and want to have some industrial activity to be able to carry their blueprints and produce where they want? This would heat up the New Eden industry!

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