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No Eve Player Should Miss This Article

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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2012-08-28 15:35:32 UTC
Too-Boku wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Saw the name - james 315.

Stopped right there.

It is probably best for james if folk do not encourage his really strange obsession with miners.

His article will be about miners and how they are destroying Eve. He should change his name to James One-Note.

The self obsessed ego (mittens) and the miner obsessed ego.


There's a lot more to it than miners. Set aside your prejudice, hate and preconceived notions and read the article.



I just did, and it really wasn't worth the time. Despite the thesis-style language, there's way too many opinions that are then taken as the factual basis for further theorising. There's really no reason to take it more seriously than any random post in GD (okay, except for maybe the avatar ones).

For the record, I don't mine and I'm not against suicide ganking per se.
Oraac Ensor
#162 - 2012-08-28 15:35:49 UTC
Din Chao wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
2) NPC corps, reduce the willingness to join player corps due to the fact you can't get back to the starter corp once you've joined a player corp (if that player corp proves to be not a great place to be).

Not sure what you mean here. Are you under the impression that once you join a player corp, you can't return to an NPC corp?

Sabrina Solette wrote:
You can't return to the NPC starter corp that you started in, you end up in one of what I call the drop-out NPC corps where other ex-player corp pilots go.

Vincent Athena wrote:
You cannot return to your Starter NPC corp as you go to a different one. If you left friends there who are unwilling to move, you cannot return to them.

Eh? Wtf are you two blathering about?

What difference does your NPC corp make?

What do you mean by "unwilling to move" and "return to them"? Surely players in NPC corps can go where the hell they like?

Or am I missing something here?
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#163 - 2012-08-28 15:41:11 UTC
1)TL;DR
2)Vets whining about eve getting softer.
3)Why do bitter vets care about what happens in high sec?
4)Oh this thread again.

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

Arec Bardwin
#164 - 2012-08-28 15:45:26 UTC
Personally I think the article is a nice mix of valid arguments and tinfoil hattery. Let's hope CCP don't make EVE a fluffy theme park.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#165 - 2012-08-28 15:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
Kult Altol wrote:
1)TL;DR
2)Vets whining about eve getting softer.
3)Why do bitter vets care about what happens in high sec?
4)Oh this thread again.


Because we care about the game as a whole, and don't like the overall shift in direction (and audience) ccp is taking?

Go be stupid somewhere else.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#166 - 2012-08-28 15:45:49 UTC  |  Edited by: James 315
Opened the page, saw who the author was, realized I already read it, closed the page. Roll
Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#167 - 2012-08-28 15:46:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Matriarch Prime
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Din Chao wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
2) NPC corps, reduce the willingness to join player corps due to the fact you can't get back to the starter corp once you've joined a player corp (if that player corp proves to be not a great place to be).

Not sure what you mean here. Are you under the impression that once you join a player corp, you can't return to an NPC corp?

Sabrina Solette wrote:
You can't return to the NPC starter corp that you started in, you end up in one of what I call the drop-out NPC corps where other ex-player corp pilots go.

Vincent Athena wrote:
You cannot return to your Starter NPC corp as you go to a different one. If you left friends there who are unwilling to move, you cannot return to them.

Eh? Wtf are you two blathering about?

What difference does your NPC corp make?

What do you mean by "unwilling to move" and "return to them"? Surely players in NPC corps can go where the hell they like?

Or am I missing something here?


Some eve players hold a special hatred in thier hearts for players to willingly stay in npc corps to avoid war declarion mechanics.

All players start the game in an npc player corp. If you decide to quit (leave) that corp, you can not rejoin that starter corp. But you can join another NPC corp. For instance, I am in sebiestor tribe, it is an NPC corp. Players do not run it, there are no leaders, just a chat room for all the members.

Note: You are in a starter corp.

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!

Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#168 - 2012-08-28 15:50:56 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
1)TL;DR
2)Vets whining about eve getting softer.
3)Why do bitter vets care about what happens in high sec?
4)Oh this thread again.


Because we care as the game as a whole, and don't like the overall shift in direction (and audience) ccp is taking?

Go be stupid somewhere else.


Thank you for your extremely enlightened opinion. Some day I wish do be as intelligent as you. You are the reason newer players leave eve. Eve is linear in such a way as to encourage progression. Normally you start in high sec, move to low sec, go to WH or null sec. Instead of belittling the buffing of high sec, maybe you "Vets" should make the other areas of eve more inviting. Smile

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Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#169 - 2012-08-28 15:54:12 UTC
Andski wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Trash article on themittani.com nonshocker.


>wants 0.0 turned into ****
>wants hisec to be safer

Null is the safest space in the game. I'm not sure what those asterisks are for, but it is the naughty word for poo poo; I will have you know coalitions who's goal is to turn all of null into one giant nap train is what is making null poo poo.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#170 - 2012-08-28 16:00:01 UTC
While I will say I admire what the Goons and other groups have done in terms of 'pulling things off' in EVE, I have a real hard time taking this article seriously. Sure, I agree that there is a change happening to make high-sec safer, but why is it happening? Because a very organized groups of players took a game mechanic and pushed it as far and as hard as possible to the point that it was potentially becoming ruinous to the game itself.

Yes, there was a good business model there, with profit to be had by many. They were potentially 'winning' the game with what they were doing. But it went on for so long that something needed to be done and it was. Reading this article leaves me with only two thoughts:
1. It sounds like a whine thread for suicide gankers. The underlying issue that ganks fuel profits for ship builders appears to be glossed over.
2. The actions that the author and his friends claimed to have engaged in helped feed the very 'problem' that he is whining about.

There is an almost endless string of complaints, but no offered solution. With the understanding that CCP is a company that needs to make money, a point that has been beaten to death in the article, there doesn't appear to be a solution offered by the author to make things better. With so much anger towards the current course, what does the author WANT?

This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.

"If you are part of the problem, you will be nerfed." -MadMuppet

Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#171 - 2012-08-28 16:00:10 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Andski wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Trash article on themittani.com nonshocker.


>wants 0.0 turned into ****
>wants hisec to be safer

Null is the safest space in the game. I'm not sure what those asterisks are for, but it is the naughty word for poo poo; I will have you know coalitions who's goal is to turn all of null into one giant nap train is what is making null poo poo.


Getting into null is difficult for a new player. Gate camps. The only alternative is using a WH.

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#172 - 2012-08-28 16:03:15 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Andski wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Trash article on themittani.com nonshocker.


>wants 0.0 turned into ****
>wants hisec to be safer

Null is the safest space in the game. I'm not sure what those asterisks are for, but it is the naughty word for poo poo; I will have you know coalitions who's goal is to turn all of null into one giant nap train is what is making null poo poo.


Getting into null is difficult for a new player. Gate camps. The only alternative is using a WH.


Newbees go out to nullsec on their first day & there is ways for even a new player to get through a gate camp.

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Jaison Savrin
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#173 - 2012-08-28 16:05:00 UTC
Saw author and stopped reading.

James 315 is just some jackass that has managed to make a name for himself by being a jackass. Eventually people will get bored of him and he will go away. I can only hope it is soon rather than later.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#174 - 2012-08-28 16:05:41 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:

Why do bitter vets care about what happens in high sec?


Well first off despite being bitter, we still care about the game. Secondly, plenty of us live in highsec.

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#175 - 2012-08-28 16:06:49 UTC
Confirming that Mittens admits openly that BoB fell because someone clicked a mouse button, and not because they were beaten in space.

Finally...

This space for rent.

Dessau
The Scope
#176 - 2012-08-28 16:10:22 UTC
Ah, GD, ever the bastion of critical thought.

"More than three sentences in sequence, cannot compute."
"Author is _____, no need to read, already know _____'s arguments are invalid."
"Posted on _____ website, no need to read, _____'s content is garbage." *

While I disagree with Mr. 315's conclusions in Part 2, it does raise questions about CCP's long-term strategy. As it is in New Eden, our real-world corporations must adapt as circumstances arise. I don't think they should risk shedding thousands of subs to the likes of WoT just to poop up the sandbox that makes the game legendary... but as it now stands, mining is safer; ganking is still possible.

( * statement is actually true of all Gawker websites)
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#177 - 2012-08-28 16:11:13 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Confirming that Mittens admits openly that BoB fell because someone clicked a mouse button, and not because they were beaten in space.

Finally...



Everyone already knew this because you know... Mittens actually told everyone. However, let not mention that BoB had already become a maggot-ridden corpse of it's former self with it's members writhing in the filth.

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Barrak
The Painted Ones
#178 - 2012-08-28 16:11:44 UTC
How on earth did you manage to write that much about so little?

If making HI-sec safer means that there are far more subscription than any EvE player that doesn't want that is stupid.

This is the trouble with conspiracy theories........ they're rarely anything other than one sided.

Just look at all the complaints from Hi-sec players about drops in their earning potentials. Sure, they can still earn a lot, but that is generally reserved for the highly knowledgeable and for players that know how to 'manipulate' the game to earn well.

For me....... if Hi-sec gets safer and the potential earnings drop, then this is the ideal situation. Get more subscriptions, get them to understand that after 3 months they really have to move out of hi-sec to make any ISK and suddenly...... all those Low/Null regions that I pass through a lot that are empty will get fuller.

I appreciate that for you it's probably a case of 'principals' and for others it's a case of ISK, but EvE needs to grow......... and if it isn't growing it's dying................ If you or any of the other conspirators out there can come up with a better way to grow the subscriptions then lets hear it!

It's easy to control hi-sec population............. you control the ISK sources...........

I don't wish this to appear as an attack on you, but JESUS.... there is always someone moaning about something in this game (yes I see the irony here).

Regards

Barrak
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#179 - 2012-08-28 16:12:21 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:

Why do bitter vets care about what happens in high sec?


Well first off despite being bitter, we still care about the game. Secondly, plenty of us live in highsec.


I just don't see the reason to whine about it. I been playing for almost a year and I consider my self a noob still. Unfortunately low sec and null sec are unappealing. I ask my self, "why do I really want to go out there?" and I can't find reasons I ask older players for reasons and they flame and troll. I plan to go out in low and null sec eventually. But most eve pilots are extremely vitriolic.

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

Volar Kang
Kang Industrial
#180 - 2012-08-28 16:18:25 UTC
As long as Null sec is not changed and is always the wild west, who gives a rats behind what the rules are in highsec? If you want PvP, stop hanging around the kiddie pool looking for easy kills to pad your killboard in highsec and man up and go to null or low sec.