EVE General Discussion

My opinion on the whole situation is thus:



Amount of Risk Involved:

Null Sec > Low Sec > High Sec

Amount of Isk that can be earnt per hour:

Null Sec > Low Sec > High Sec

"Ideal" Character progression (i.e. what you want the majority of players to do):

Highsec -> Low Sec -> Null Sec


As a rule of thumb anything you can do in empire should be more profitable (assuming you don't die) or you can do it better/longer/faster/stronger in Low Sec.

Then anything you can do in Low Sec is more profitable in Null Sec.

Yes I am a Null Sec player but think about what actually makes the game interesting. If players (for some reason) formed their own major Empire on the outskirts, with their own police forces (that worked) and people felt almost as safe out there as in Empire, wouldn't that make for an amazing game? If only 20% of the playerbase is Null Sec at the moment, could you imagine what would ever happen if a load of miners/carebearers/etc just formed together and took to Nullsec? They'd burn hideously at first but the numbers are probably greater than the CFC.

As a rule of thumb I think in High Sec it's fair to say suicide ganking isn't a viable income BUT it is possible. So if you fly in your ship that your daddy bought with plex and give older players grief in local they can blow the hell out of you at a not entirely unreasonable loss to themselves, but it is a LOSS. Show players they don't reach their full potential in High Sec, perhaps consider limiting ships more (no T2 combat vessels? Nothing bigger than a Battle Cruiser?). Combine this with my next suggestion.

With the new changes to mechanics in Low Sec due it sounds like if you travel from Gate A to Gate B or Gate B to Station A in Low Sec you'll be fine. I'm ok with this as as well, as long as there is a reason for people to spend time away from the gates and stations in Low Sec. Nerf high sec income/massively boost low sec income to make paying for protection in low sec while you mine much more profitable then mining solo in Empire.

Finally Null Sec. Realistically there are a whole host of problems here, but it should be the most profitable to work here. High Sec people will be like "but why should they make in a week what takes me 6 weeks to earn?!?! Just because I don't want to be killed by gewns!!! :(:(:(" my response is "Because you CAN'T be killed by gewns". You can earn a load of money in a Tengu in Null Sec ratting, but if you lose that ship its 700mil minimum, how long will it take for you to earn that back?

What you end up with is something like this:

Newbies start the game and they are mining/mission running/whatever. They are chipping away and earning ISK while training skills. They train to Battlecruisers relatively fast (or best minnig ships or whatever) and they realise they can't get a bigger ship.

Then they speak to people in their corp who are earning ISK more then twice as fast as they are. They are like "How are you doing that?!" their corp mates are like "Me and a few friends run missions/mine in low sec. It's ok if you stick together".

Newbie miner/mission runner ventures into Low Sec, starts earning more money, maybe losing a ship or two. Maybe even taking part in some PvP combat.

Then he speaks to some more people passing through low sec or other corp mates. They talk about massive titans, player owned stations and even more ISK. The newbie (now no longer a newbie) has cut their teeth in low sec moves into Null Sec.

This is the ideal player transition IN MY OPINION. You might get players more comfortable in High or Low, which is fair play to them. It needs to be balanced off though. By giving a real, tangible and obvious benefit to moving outwards. If they still decide PvP isn't for them then thats fine.

I always felt that someone who defends anorganic lifeless rocks from defenseless miners was both a coward & an idiot.

npc posting alts are hilarious

Well of course new players would venture out into low/null/WH space if they were left alone long enough to build some sort of buffer for when they lose their ships. Just starting out and getting ganked before you can get anywhere or attain anything is a huge turn-off and makes ya just wanna quit. It's not carebearing, its like walking outside and getting hit by lightening every time, eventualy you stop going outside.

Stopped reading 3 sentences in. Goonswarm = propaganda. Nullsec is just as carebeary as highsec.

You think you can expect? Why? Because you made your alt x years ago? Lol :D

What a load of crap, get a grip, cowards in a game, lmao it's a game if you've not noticed.

Miners in RL risk their lives, I wouldn't say they're cowards for demolishing rocks.




Been reading the replys to this thread, although did not read the article as it's James so not really worth the effort.

Before the changes you could fit a tank to mining ships although that was not 100% successful against suicide pilots as some people claim. How well you could tank depended on what skills you have trained and how long you have been playing. I bet suicide pilots did not just pick on pilots that had been playing for sometime, in fact I know they didn't.

Also claims that players that regularly play the game put more RL currency into the game, it's also false. I'm a casual player with this game for a number of years and have long breaks sometimes for several months but last month paid about £300 on this game and still pay monthly subs when I'm ingame.

The biggest problem I see is that suicide gankers don't have it as easy as they used too to gain quick easy risk free isk, which is probably what they're more upset about.

Something needed to be done to make mining craft more resistant to suicide pilots and CCP have done it, so good for them.

Low-sec is generally a waste of time thanks to gate-camps, high requirement (standing) for jump-clones, the way NPC corps work (being dumped into an NPC corp after leaving a player corp) and also player corps having high joining requirements. There are other reasons of course.

Yup pretty much. I stand by what I say and if someone doesn't like it and wants to scrape paint with me in game they are welcome to try. Its called having a pair.

Lol, whatever I've learnt today it's not from the game or the forum, and it certainly won't be about mining.

But, I do tend to get tired of listening to macho bullshit.

no, thats just what egotistical, narcisistic Idiots claim is happening.


CCP created a game.

2 types of people started playing
each has a different view of what the game should be, and how it should be played
each believes thier view is the only one that gels with CPP's view

BOTH are wrong.