EVE General Discussion

It's funny how everyone bitches about Goons in approximately all the other threads, but as soon as a thread like this comes up, or someone actually tries to do something about Goons, the only people you hear from are people supporting the Goons.

TBH the whole cyberbully thing was such a coward's way out to shed responsibility of 'greed is good gold ammo and space barbies' just come out and own your mistakes Mittens we know you did it.

I can't speak to the individual incidents or people in Goonswarm, recognizing the fact that there are A-holes everywhere but my impression of Goonswarms impact is for the most part globally positive. I certainly have swapped paint with Goons on the battlefiled with thankless and idiotic members and traded typos on the forum with what I can imagine are the worse of their bunch so I can understand the perception that "all Goons are XXXX curse words", but ultimately you can't judge an alliance of thousands of players by the actions of a few tards.

In a discussion about "what have Goons done for the game globally", I can't help but be hard press to name something they did that didnt turn out to interesting at the very least. Obviously some things are bad for certain players, Hulkegedon for example was probably bad for people flying Hulks, but at least its an event, something is going on in the game... its pulse is beating.

Just in recent events like putting a spotlight on the failure of WiS or with Mittans new suprisingly well written and informative website it seems to me Goons are good at least for meta game to the benefit of the Eve player at large.

Sure we can ***** about things... I don't care for high Tech prices, nore do I particularly like facing 20 to 1 odds in a fight against them, but for every action they take that traumatizes someone it creates opportunities for everyone else.

People who get Eve know that large alliances like Goonswarm are opportunities to the activities of the individual not involved and opportunities to those that are.

So in short, Goons and other large alliances are creating content for all. They are pushing their weight around to improve the game and doing so successfully and they ensure that their is a population on the server every day keeping CCP in business. If I have to put up with the occasional tard in game or on the forum who thinks because he is a Goon that somehow he is a step above me, I welcome it. But its worth noting that they are not the only Alliance overflowing with individuals that belong in straight jackets and who's opinions generally circle the proverbial toilet , it seems its tradition for jackelopes to join large Alliances and take credit for their activities as if they had accomplished them by themselves. So blaming Goons for the existence of such characters is silly.

GOONSWARM NEEDS TO GO
NERF FRIENDS

As you have most of your facts wrong I thought I would just change the one in relation to the CSM
He actually resigned from CSM 6 (with the term almost completed) and was ineligible for CSM 7 because of the ban.

Love, Hate or not Care for Goonswarm is one thing, but you do have to respect them, not individually but as a whole, as an entity. I believe Eve without Goons would be a much sadder place, they bring character and drama to the game. In some ways Goons are a testament to Eve, and its environment to what it can facilitate.

To try and out Goons to me, is to out emergent gameplay. It's almost the same as going against freespeech, you can say anything you want, but only what I deem ok to say. You can play eve anyway you want, just not how I don't like you to play.

I not only disagree with your viewpoint, I also find some of your points fallacious, even though the entire post is one big argumentem ad populum. Not only that if anyone disagrees with your statement they are supposedly a Goon alt.

"Burn Jita" as I understand was planned well ahead of the reprimand concerning the alliance presentation, if my memories serves me correctly it was planned if X amount of people voted for him to get his position within the CSM. Either way "Jita Burn" didn't even need any justification, other than we are group X and we are going to try and achieve Y, that is emergent gameplay.

The business change due to result from the Jita Riots were the results of Goons? really could of sworn, Jita Riots were a result of everyone who were in agreeance, I didn't know literally only Goons played this game?

Ssly is this a Troll thread? or just a really irrational Anti-Goon thread?

From an Eve player who is not a Goon, and does not share your viewpoint.
oh wait im a Goon alt right?

This is a really good post but I feel like in certain areas you are pretty wrong. For example you said that Goons are not inherently superior, that they are not a step above you when I can safely say that we are, actually, a step above you.

Again, this is a really good post with a generally good attitude, but a day 1 newbee is fundamentally a better person than you, with better character, and is all-around better than you in every subjective and objectively measurable way. I'm sorry.

Nothing reveals your profound ignorance of Goonswarm as much as the above paragraph does. Nobody's required to be a tackler in Goonswarm. Nobody's really required to do anything, actually. Being a tackler is just one of the ways in which a completely new player can be engaged in PvP right from the beginning. New tacklers are usually still on trial accounts, so if they weren't actually having fun, as you suggest, then they wouldn't pay to keep playing, would they?

This would help you understand the cultural divide that you are facing: http://themittani.com/content/soss-75-eve-born-6

I know you probably don't want to read anything written by The Mittani, but if you can't be bothered to at least try to understand your enemy then you won't be very effective in eradicating us and will continue to look like a complete buffoon on these forums. Not that that isn't without entertainment value, but the same schtick over and over is getting a bit tedious.

All I get out of these posts is a feeling of jealousy. We are a group that has fun at your expense. We are an exclusive club that you can't join that's better than you. I'd imagine for most nerds, it is just like high school all over again.

Heh the "drawing in more new players" argument, has been abused by everyone from space barbie wis freaks to dumb high sec rights activists christ just stop.