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Ilkahn
Ideal Mechanisms
#21 - 2011-10-13 17:31:21 UTC
*Gets popcorn*
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*Watches the CCP Concord Agents panel face off with the New Eden Tea Party of Capsuleers*
*Throws back some popcorn*
*Turns up volume and pops Quafe top*
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#22 - 2011-10-13 17:36:17 UTC
Shadowsword wrote:


Well, thanks for taking the time to answer, but I'll point out that keeping things like the number of security employees secret, while probably marginally beneficial to their efficiency, might have adverse effects that far outweight the benefit. Like the growing trend to believe, wether it's true or not, that null-sec is more and more dominated by RMT and that CCP do nothing about it...


I think that working on creative ways to report on that information would be far more effective to the playerbase than telling you how many people touch the problem, which is kinda the point. Communication about botting and RMT is certainly something we intend to be more open about in the future. I think as an example, I've given talks that have addressed the subject in a few venues in the past year but that information has never made its way to the forums, so I think maybe it's time to distill some of that into a blog and get it out to you guys to digest.

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Piar Stolpien
#23 - 2011-10-13 18:08:54 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:

And half of Svalbard is in russian hands so the 'russian gold-farmer mafia' has more than a little influence in the north, as such we can never know if CCP has, or has not, been taken over and turned into a vodka-subsidies based organization.

lol Lol
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#24 - 2011-10-13 18:09:38 UTC
Shadowsword wrote:

Well, thanks for taking the time to answer, but I'll point out that keeping things like the number of security employees secret, while probably marginally beneficial to their efficiency, might have adverse effects that far outweight the benefit. Like the growing trend to believe, wether it's true or not, that null-sec is more and more dominated by RMT and that CCP do nothing about it...


Keeping numbers confidential serves a valid purpose: you're never certain that you've got all of them tied up with a distraction, so it's that much harder to hide.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-10-13 18:47:49 UTC
You guys give Sreegs a break. He's in a very difficult position, alone and unappreciated. On the one had he's responsible for maintaining security. On the other, he has to insure that his efforts don't adversely affect CCP's own profits from unofficially approved RMT operations within Goon and DRF.

That's a tight rope that no man should have to bear. Sreegs, if you need a shoulder sometime, I'm here for ya man!

Don't ban me, bro!
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2011-10-13 18:49:44 UTC
i do like the idea of zero plantations and slave masters though

we have a position open in the getting whipped department, I'll pass your resume along

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2011-10-13 18:50:36 UTC
how are your ice mining skills, and your complaining in local when goons blow you up for funsies skills

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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#28 - 2011-10-13 18:50:43 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
What do we do if we have evidence that IA is in on the RMT money laundering scheme?


Quit giving a bent company your time and money and go play something else?

Or, you know, send the evidence to Hilmar. If the CEO of the company is in on it too then you'll just have to accept that everyone is indeed out to get you.

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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#29 - 2011-10-13 18:52:31 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Shadowsword wrote:


Well, thanks for taking the time to answer, but I'll point out that keeping things like the number of security employees secret, while probably marginally beneficial to their efficiency, might have adverse effects that far outweight the benefit. Like the growing trend to believe, wether it's true or not, that null-sec is more and more dominated by RMT and that CCP do nothing about it...


I think that working on creative ways to report on that information would be far more effective to the playerbase than telling you how many people touch the problem, which is kinda the point. Communication about botting and RMT is certainly something we intend to be more open about in the future. I think as an example, I've given talks that have addressed the subject in a few venues in the past year but that information has never made its way to the forums, so I think maybe it's time to distill some of that into a blog and get it out to you guys to digest.


I would love to see an update from CCP on what is being done to combat botting/RMT in EVE.

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Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2011-10-13 19:51:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
as such we can never know if CCP has, or has not, been taken over and turned into a vodka-subsidies based organization.

it's beer, not vodka

icelandic guy goes to Russia founds a brewery in russia and makes many russian friends.
Brewery is sold to Heineken in 2002.
Icelandic guy is now rich and buys large share in CCP.
Financial crisis hits and Icelandic guy is suddenly broke.
Icelandic guy promises consortium of banks to use any income from dividends or sale of his CCP stock for debt repayment.

moral of the story - there's a grain of truth in many absurd rumors (like the one about CCP & Russia)
Alyssa Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2011-10-13 19:55:52 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
i do like the idea of zero plantations and slave masters though

we have a position open in the getting whipped department, I'll pass your resume along


lol, go boi go! get 'im!

can you give me a semi-witty reply to this post too?

Ill give you extra points if you can throw in an insult about me being a carebear, and bonus points if you can use at least two logical fallacies and an insult about my intelligence.

lol, u so funny.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2011-10-13 19:57:43 UTC
Alyssa Yotosala wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
i do like the idea of zero plantations and slave masters though

we have a position open in the getting whipped department, I'll pass your resume along


lol, go boi go! get 'im!

can you give me a semi-witty reply to this post too?

Ill give you extra points if you can throw in an insult about me being a carebear, and bonus points if you can use at least two logical fallacies and an insult about my intelligence.

lol, u so funny.


there is nothing I can do to insult you more than simply quoting this post

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2011-10-13 19:58:48 UTC
feeding rope, hanging self, etc etc

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#34 - 2011-10-13 20:05:38 UTC
pretty funny to see Sreegs in a thread with this much trolling with the blues saying how much they moderate trolling

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2011-10-13 20:15:56 UTC
it'd probably be bad form for him to moderate all the trolls about ccp and 0.0 rmting cause it'd look bad

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#36 - 2011-10-13 20:20:55 UTC
For people asking how RMT effects them: If you subscribe via PLEX is certainly does. Maybe you have noticed the recent PLEX price rise? Some of the PLEX price is held up by the existence of RMT. People get ISK via RMT rather than purchasing a PLEX and trading it in game for ISK. The result is a lower PLEX supply and a higher PLEX price.

If you PvP, the guys you are fighting could have better stuff because they bought it with ISK obtained via RMT. RMT breaks the sandbox.

Also if more people purchased PLEX and sold them in game, lowering the isk price, then more subscriptions would be paid for via PLEX. A subscription paid for via PLEX gives CCP $17.50 a month, more than any other subscription option. Its in CCP's best interest to get rid of RMT for just this reason.

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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#37 - 2011-10-13 20:25:04 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Shadowsword wrote:


Well, thanks for taking the time to answer, but I'll point out that keeping things like the number of security employees secret, while probably marginally beneficial to their efficiency, might have adverse effects that far outweight the benefit. Like the growing trend to believe, wether it's true or not, that null-sec is more and more dominated by RMT and that CCP do nothing about it...


I think that working on creative ways to report on that information would be far more effective to the playerbase than telling you how many people touch the problem, which is kinda the point. Communication about botting and RMT is certainly something we intend to be more open about in the future. I think as an example, I've given talks that have addressed the subject in a few venues in the past year but that information has never made its way to the forums, so I think maybe it's time to distill some of that into a blog and get it out to you guys to digest.



CCP has the feeling and it is of the opinion that the amount of people it has dedicated to fighting RMT is enough or more than enough. However, were they to divulge it people would say that its barely close to being enough and that CCP isn't working hard enough with only "that" amount of people.

In which case CCP would be forced to explain the work those few people do, which would be detrimental to their work.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
met worst
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-01-08 03:50:38 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
For people asking how RMT effects them: If you subscribe via PLEX is certainly does. Maybe you have noticed the recent PLEX price rise? Some of the PLEX price is held up by the existence of RMT. People get ISK via RMT rather than purchasing a PLEX and trading it in game for ISK. The result is a lower PLEX supply and a higher PLEX price.

If you PvP, the guys you are fighting could have better stuff because they bought it with ISK obtained via RMT. RMT breaks the sandbox.

Also if more people purchased PLEX and sold them in game, lowering the isk price, then more subscriptions would be paid for via PLEX. A subscription paid for via PLEX gives CCP $17.50 a month, more than any other subscription option. Its in CCP's best interest to get rid of RMT for just this reason.

Everything you say here is true except (underlined) this bit.

ISK CAN be purchased for real money regardless. Whether it hurts CCP's bottom-line or PLEX prices are the only variables - not whether your PvP is "fair" against little-rich-boy.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#39 - 2012-01-08 04:28:06 UTC
Callic Veratar wrote:
Shadowsword wrote:
Well, thanks for taking the time to answer, but I'll point out that keeping things like the number of security employees secret, while probably marginally beneficial to their efficiency, might have adverse effects that far outweight the benefit. Like the growing trend to believe, wether it's true or not, that null-sec is more and more dominated by RMT and that CCP do nothing about it...


It irrelevant how many people are actually involved in RMT/bot detection. Even if it's ONLY CCP Sreegs, if the tools he develops are effective the job's being done.

The actual number of RMTer/botters is likely far less that you believe, simply because some people tend to be paranoid and see conspiracies and corruption everywhere, even when it's not.


I get an increasing sense of paranoia everytime I read these forums.
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Ascendic
Polaris Syndicate
#40 - 2012-01-08 04:58:59 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:


The accusations of NC doing RMT by DRF are interesting, however I'd like to know how/why they think that...


Well I think that came from when the list of customers of one of the largest ISK-selling organisations got leaked and most of their largest buyers were... in the NC.


Right so some of the buyers were from the NC. The real question you need to ask is who are the suppliers?