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What is New Eden's capacity?
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Reicine Ceer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-08-21 18:21:23 UTC
By that, I mean, what is the maximum number of players the server could handle before failing? I'm just curious.... I wonder how it compares to a single server in WoW? Whether TiDi would need to be implemented at every gate if the server reached maximum capacity? Or would CCP end up just getting a beefier server?

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-08-21 18:22:40 UTC
Reicine Ceer wrote:
I wonder how it compares to a single server in WoW?


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highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-08-21 18:25:53 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
Reicine Ceer wrote:
By that, I mean, what is the maximum number of players the server could handle before failing? I'm just curious.... I wonder how it compares to a single server in WoW? Whether TiDi would need to be implemented at every gate if the server reached maximum capacity? Or would CCP end up just getting a beefier server?

...these are the things that keep me awake at night.




Well, TiDi works per server node (IIRC, or maybe per system), not per gate. Traffic control is the mechanic that keeps gates from melting. But I'm sure that the server could handle much much much more than it is right now, since you can go to areas of eve to are totally empty during certain time zones.

FC, what do?
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-08-21 18:33:04 UTC
Reicine Ceer wrote:
By that, I mean, what is the maximum number of players the server could handle before failing? I'm just curious.... I wonder how it compares to a single server in WoW? Whether TiDi would need to be implemented at every gate if the server reached maximum capacity? Or would CCP end up just getting a beefier server?

...these are the things that keep me awake at night.

TQ isn't one server but a whole farm of them - you have the proxy servers which handle the connections to the clients, you have the sol servers each of which hosts one or more solar systems and you have the database servers that everything talks to.

For some outdated numbers see:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tranquility#Current_capability_01-13-2011_from_CCP_Yokai

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#5 - 2012-08-21 18:37:02 UTC
Noone knows. With TiDi in place possibly many 100k but then ofc it could be slowed down so much a DT hits...

We're still holding the highest number of battle participants afaik?

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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#6 - 2012-08-21 18:39:13 UTC
Current record recorded http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/server_status.php
was 63,165 at once.

An average peek for a WoW server is like 750.
Tiger Would
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-08-21 18:41:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiger Would
Vera Algaert wrote:
Reicine Ceer wrote:
By that, I mean, what is the maximum number of players the server could handle before failing? I'm just curious.... I wonder how it compares to a single server in WoW? Whether TiDi would need to be implemented at every gate if the server reached maximum capacity? Or would CCP end up just getting a beefier server?

...these are the things that keep me awake at night.

TQ isn't one server but a whole farm of them - you have the proxy servers which handle the connections to the clients, you have the sol servers each of which hosts one or more solar systems and you have the database servers that everything talks to.

For some outdated numbers see:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tranquility#Current_capability_01-13-2011_from_CCP_Yokai



But are those nodes physical?

Because, I dont know, I t could be a virtualized environment, it would make sense in a load balancing energy usage kind of way. ( But also storage and bandwidth between DB and nodes (CUCS))


I could easily be wrong though.

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-08-21 18:50:31 UTC
its enough that if the entire userbase logged in right now it would be fine. as long as those people aren't all in the same play anyway.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-08-21 19:01:47 UTC
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baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#10 - 2012-08-21 19:04:59 UTC
Chribba wrote:


We're still holding the highest number of battle participants afaik?


Haven't heard of anything coming close.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-08-21 20:44:18 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Current record recorded http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/server_status.php
was 63,165 at once.

An average peek for a WoW server is like 750.


Hooray! Eve holds more! :trollface:

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Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#12 - 2012-08-21 21:17:57 UTC
Tiger Would wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Reicine Ceer wrote:
By that, I mean, what is the maximum number of players the server could handle before failing? I'm just curious.... I wonder how it compares to a single server in WoW? Whether TiDi would need to be implemented at every gate if the server reached maximum capacity? Or would CCP end up just getting a beefier server?

...these are the things that keep me awake at night.

TQ isn't one server but a whole farm of them - you have the proxy servers which handle the connections to the clients, you have the sol servers each of which hosts one or more solar systems and you have the database servers that everything talks to.

For some outdated numbers see:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tranquility#Current_capability_01-13-2011_from_CCP_Yokai



But are those nodes physical?

Because, I dont know, I t could be a virtualized environment, it would make sense in a load balancing energy usage kind of way. ( But also storage and bandwidth between DB and nodes (CUCS))


I could easily be wrong though.


they're not virtualized

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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#13 - 2012-08-21 21:21:44 UTC
Take the maximum number of allowed people in a system, say Jita and multiply that by the number of systems in game. That's your maximum amount of people allowed on one server.

John Hancock
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#14 - 2012-08-21 21:31:32 UTC
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
Take the maximum number of allowed people in a system, say Jita and multiply that by the number of systems in game. That's your maximum amount of people allowed on one server.

Bad math. They don't have a server for every system. Some servers hold multiple systems.

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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2012-08-21 21:32:16 UTC
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
Take the maximum number of allowed people in a system, say Jita and multiply that by the number of systems in game. That's your maximum amount of people allowed on one server.



Dont use Jita, remember it has its own node.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#16 - 2012-08-21 21:34:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Think it's really based off of how spread out people are. The true "max" would be very high though it would never reach that point because it would barely playable.

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Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
#17 - 2012-08-21 21:40:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Blane Xero
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Current record recorded http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/server_status.php
was 63,165 at once.

An average peek for a WoW server is like 750.

Perhaps for a low to mid population Realm.

After doing some looking into it, EU High pop realms average out to about 2k~ combined, with peaks of 4k~.


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Tiger Would
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-08-21 21:58:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiger Would
Denidil wrote:
Tiger Would wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Reicine Ceer wrote:
By that, I mean, what is the maximum number of players the server could handle before failing? I'm just curious.... I wonder how it compares to a single server in WoW? Whether TiDi would need to be implemented at every gate if the server reached maximum capacity? Or would CCP end up just getting a beefier server?

...these are the things that keep me awake at night.

TQ isn't one server but a whole farm of them - you have the proxy servers which handle the connections to the clients, you have the sol servers each of which hosts one or more solar systems and you have the database servers that everything talks to.

For some outdated numbers see:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tranquility#Current_capability_01-13-2011_from_CCP_Yokai



But are those nodes physical?

Because, I dont know, I t could be a virtualized environment, it would make sense in a load balancing energy usage kind of way. ( But also storage and bandwidth between DB and nodes (CUCS))


I could easily be wrong though.


they're not virtualized


If so, it might not be a bad idea to start thinking about that.....
VMWare has very nifty options in CUCS, QOS mechanics on IO for example....

Infiniband between physical and virtual nodes (traffic wise, maybe not needed, but latencies drop conciderably)
Huge bandwidth between storage and nodes

Energy usage drops concidrable if you let DRS also look at loads and start migrating nodes when only 20k people are online and switch on physical nodes and migrate again when the counter goes up.

Also CPU resource pooling could overcome the single core (ok now they sidebanded some traffic to a second core) limitations for quite a bit

And it is where IT is headed, para virtualization has reached limitations, binary translation can still grow, but hardware virtualization is just around the corner and partially already supported on some CPU's. (partially run code on CPU instead of hypervisor level)

Not to mention a much much lower cost of ownership (less physical but more potent servers(or rather blades in this case)) less rack space, less cooling capacity needed, less UPS capacity, much lower power consumption etc


and so on.....


ah well.....it works like it is....

Once you think you have it all, you have actually become ignorant towards everything else.

T. Would
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#19 - 2012-08-21 22:06:31 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
Take the maximum number of allowed people in a system, say Jita and multiply that by the number of systems in game. That's your maximum amount of people allowed on one server.

Bad math. They don't have a server for every system. Some servers hold multiple systems.


We're talking about THE server, not all the little nodes. And I threw Jita out there just because its the only one that ever seems to get full. I know its not a perfect method, but its something.

John Hancock
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#20 - 2012-08-21 22:20:59 UTC
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