Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, no I didn't. It's amazing some of the things you learn on this forum.

One woman's misogyny is another woman's humour. Just because you've recently discovered that shouting "racist", "sexist", "ageist", "misogynist" etc will get you somewhere in today's overly touchy-feely society doesn't mean you'll get what you want just by screaming it on the EvE forums. You need to back up your claim and arguably have people agree with you before anyone from CCP will even bother looking at your demands. Misogyny requires an intent, not a misinterpretation (intentional or otherwise). Basically, whether it is actually misogynistic comes down to whether the person who said it intended it to be so, not whether you've misinterpreted a comment meant to be mildly amusing as intentionally offensive. One more thing; I was under the impression misogyny was entirely in the male domain, no?

Not all women see eye to eye with you on this one. Some view additional development time on WIS before they have any form of interaction between avatars as a complete waste of time. No one sees your shoes on a portrait, for example.

As for transphobia, get off your high horse. Just because someone doesn't agree with you you can't just accuse them of hate crimes. I have an american who works with me who pokes fun at me because of my nationality amongst other things. Should I make an official complaint about him being a racist or accept it because it's meant to be a joke? If you answer the former I pity you, I really do.

One last thing: If WIS was so important for the game (I'm ignoring gender here) why did CCP all but stop development on it?

Until there is a slider for weight that has its lower limit set by the average of your country, heels are in.

i think isabels annoyance comes from the fact she uses Captains Quarters often rather than the hangar bay view that most players do. And i cant exacly say thats a bad thing. The concept of incarna was to allow players to be able to personally identify with their characters. And i am lead to believe that women need that personal touch to better connect with their avatars.

on the one hand yes there is a case that someone is taking things too far with the need for 'flats', when you consider most if not all male players play eve with captains quarters off, and with those off and the portraits being at most from the waist up, the idea complaining about a very restrictive shoe selection does seem absurd.

on the other however, chances are most women who do play eve probably play with captains quarters on. so they do see their avatar constantly, and most likely with that constant "high heel" stance. does it really take soo much effort for a member of the art department to make a small pair of flats?


i have a feeling that i should have wrote a really sexist post tho... something like "ohh once u have all the shoes u lot want i guess ur gonna start complaining u dont have the bags to match them!"...

...or something.

A constructive reply: The change you want probably won't happen soon.

The problem is that realistic collision detection is exponentially complex, with the exponent roughly corresponding to the number of different heights that the engine has to take into account. This is why, at present, all capsuleers are the exact same height, about 5'8"--men in flats, women in heels. Give women the option to drop to 5'5" or so in flats, and you've just made it harder. Making flats the default shoe for women is even more work, because all the models are designed to be 5'8" in heels. CCP would have to find some way to add a few inches of height to every female toon without making any of them look absurd. Not to mention that they'd have to have two default female poses, since heels change the way that you stand and walk.

I support the feature. Just be aware that implementing it has complications, and CCP will have to engineer around them. It's not as simple as adding flats to the character customization options.

Intent is not magic! If you accidentally step on someone's toe and hurt their foot, you say sorry, because you hurt their foot. It doesn't matter if you didn't intend to! Their foot still hurts!

Your feet should be in some black 6 inch heels, covered toe. And make sure your dress is nice and tight, there's a good lass

The female thin model looks dangerously underweight but that's probably another discussion.

The fat model does not actually look overweight in any way and the thin one is thin to the point of danger.

Then that is a fault of the overweight model, not the thin one.

Thin is synonymous with underweight.