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CSM Town Hall Meeting (live on EVE Radio) - Aug 18, 1800 EVT - UPDATED!

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Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-08-18 08:31:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Courthouse
rodyas wrote:
^ Yep with helping to make Incarna, CSM 6 helped us out a lot. But to be fair, mittens did like NPE and wanted to take ABCs out of WH, since they just plain deserved it.

Were you around for CSM 6? Like, were you paying attention at the time? CSM 5 had mass resignations at the end of the term because CCP had ceased listening to anyone, plus they had seen the project plans for incarna and on. CSM 6 opened with CCP continuing its refusal to talk with the CSM about meaningful spaceship-related topics which led to the creation of the skype channel so the CSM could directly liase with developers. Shortly after there was the incarna launch, the NEX store/monoclegate and the 'fearless' leak. Ergo: Jita riots.

This led to the CSM 6 chairman being flown to Iceland for an emergency summit with CCP. The result of which was a well-documented video and apology on CCP's part and a promise to focus on purely spaceships for the next content releases. From that you got Crucible and Inferno. The V3 project came about as art team assets were diverted from incarna features to spaceship features, and while those are just releasing now you could attribute them to the change in direction spearhead by CSM 6. Same with Faction Warfare revamp, which was already announced and basically completed when CSM 7 took office.

The issue of ABCs in wormholes was that they were spawning in C2/C3 wormholes that were easily accessible from highsec. Mining in general was suffering between the availability of highend minerals from WHs less than 4 jumps out of Jita and the drone poo. It was a change that needed to happen on a fundamental economic level.

The NPE changes were instrumental in new subscriber retention, which mittens championed during CSM 6 and CCP are still making changes to improve it. These were fundamentally sound ideas.

Thus far the ideas I've seen from CSM 7 have been "17 titans, NBD. EVE players are rich, nerf incomes. The CSM needs to redefine what 'stakeholder' means."
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#42 - 2012-08-18 09:20:25 UTC
^ Yeah but you mentioned hi-sec in your first post.

Also it sounds more like the CSM 5-6 were quiet for most of the time really.

So what is your great idea? Welfare epics and isk, the way WoW has? For the poor non titan owners (who mostly proclaim their love for small gang pvp so no idea why they care that it takes 17 titans to blow up other titans) Of course, them being reminded they are poor, makes it hard for them to do small gang pvp, since EVE is quite expensive. I would tell them to get a real job (so they can buy PLEX) (But that requires an education) (which I doubt they would want) so who knows what will help them out.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne
Frying Doom
#43 - 2012-08-18 10:26:57 UTC
Courthouse wrote:
Thus far the ideas I've seen from CSM 7 have been "17 titans, NBD. EVE players are rich, nerf incomes. The CSM needs to redefine what 'stakeholder' means."

You must not read very well if that is all you got out of the CSM minutes.

As to CSM 6 not to belittle the Chairman but he made good PR fodder. The real reason CCP back peddled so much was all the people unsubbing. As was detailed in greed is good, its not what we say but what we do that they were listening too.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#44 - 2012-08-18 10:40:15 UTC
Please address player consern about.

Story content in Eve.

Loss of the economic Information ie Devblogs or quarterly reports. Last update was FF.

Ship rebalancing has got a lot of Dev focus on the forums. Which is good. As CCP indicated when we will start seeing more of the winter release devblogs.

Winter release planning and CSM participation was hinted at in the minutes. How did that go?

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
DJWiggles
Eve Radio Corporation
#45 - 2012-08-18 11:14:46 UTC
Courthouse wrote:
DJWiggles wrote:
Courthouse wrote:
Threee days after posting the thread and there are more posts in 2 thread pages by CSM people than 'likes' on CSM members' posts. How about instead of lounging around on everadio where they toss out softball questions and cradle your nuts you guys get around to realizing why the playerbase thinks you're a bunch of cretinous hacks and address actual things in EVE.

Just an fyi. I will be the host tomorrow and i dont intend to cradle anyones balls and i also dont ask any questions im just a vessle for the csm to spew forth from

I suspect you may want to go back and see how given your statement on what you intend to do with the show my accusations might ring truer.


Its the same as the last time We at ER did this. The CSM want to get the chat out to as many people as possible, CCP don't have faith in eve-voice to hold as many people as we can (70,000) at last check so we just allow them on to do the chat with questions from members of the general Eve Online population who respond. Of course there will be people who say "The CSM don't matter" or "Fudge the CSM in a hot sticky mess" but as IMHO the CSM matters to EVERY Eve player, I would say get involved as best you can and ask proper constructive questions and just don't troll.

Enjoy the show from 17:00 GMT, CSM come on at 18:00 and are scheduled till 20:00 and as always they are more than welcome to stick around after to have a off topic chat and chill out and request tunes etc.. the show will finish at 22:00 GMT

Live on Eve Radio Sundays 15:00 GMT with me & friends talking about Eve and stuff. Twitter, Facebook TotalEve
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#46 - 2012-08-18 12:43:04 UTC
DJWiggles wrote:
Courthouse wrote:
Threee days after posting the thread and there are more posts in 2 thread pages by CSM people than 'likes' on CSM members' posts. How about instead of lounging around on everadio where they toss out softball questions and cradle your nuts you guys get around to realizing why the playerbase thinks you're a bunch of cretinous hacks and address actual things in EVE.

Just an fyi. I will be the host tomorrow and i dont intend to cradle anyones balls and i also dont ask any questions im just a vessle for the csm to spew forth from


Wait, I was promised ball cradling. If that isn't happening, I am not gonna show up!

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#47 - 2012-08-18 12:46:48 UTC
Courthouse wrote:
rodyas wrote:
^ Yep with helping to make Incarna, CSM 6 helped us out a lot. But to be fair, mittens did like NPE and wanted to take ABCs out of WH, since they just plain deserved it.

Were you around for CSM 6? Like, were you paying attention at the time? CSM 5 had mass resignations at the end of the term because CCP had ceased listening to anyone, plus they had seen the project plans for incarna and on. CSM 6 opened with CCP continuing its refusal to talk with the CSM about meaningful spaceship-related topics which led to the creation of the skype channel so the CSM could directly liase with developers. Shortly after there was the incarna launch, the NEX store/monoclegate and the 'fearless' leak. Ergo: Jita riots.

This led to the CSM 6 chairman being flown to Iceland for an emergency summit with CCP. The result of which was a well-documented video and apology on CCP's part and a promise to focus on purely spaceships for the next content releases. From that you got Crucible and Inferno. The V3 project came about as art team assets were diverted from incarna features to spaceship features, and while those are just releasing now you could attribute them to the change in direction spearhead by CSM 6. Same with Faction Warfare revamp, which was already announced and basically completed when CSM 7 took office.

The issue of ABCs in wormholes was that they were spawning in C2/C3 wormholes that were easily accessible from highsec. Mining in general was suffering between the availability of highend minerals from WHs less than 4 jumps out of Jita and the drone poo. It was a change that needed to happen on a fundamental economic level.

The NPE changes were instrumental in new subscriber retention, which mittens championed during CSM 6 and CCP are still making changes to improve it. These were fundamentally sound ideas.

Thus far the ideas I've seen from CSM 7 have been "17 titans, NBD. EVE players are rich, nerf incomes. The CSM needs to redefine what 'stakeholder' means."


Huh? This is some seriously wrong stuff, you might want to talk to Mittens.

The Skype channel was created from day one, not in response to anything. It wasn't just Mittens who was flown out for the emergency summit, it was most of the CSM. ABC's in wormholes were not touched, CCP said it was a problem but then went back and got the actual numbers and it turned out that it was a tiny percentage of the mining.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
DJWiggles
Eve Radio Corporation
#48 - 2012-08-18 14:46:48 UTC
Two step wrote:
DJWiggles wrote:
Courthouse wrote:
Threee days after posting the thread and there are more posts in 2 thread pages by CSM people than 'likes' on CSM members' posts. How about instead of lounging around on everadio where they toss out softball questions and cradle your nuts you guys get around to realizing why the playerbase thinks you're a bunch of cretinous hacks and address actual things in EVE.

Just an fyi. I will be the host tomorrow and i dont intend to cradle anyones balls and i also dont ask any questions im just a vessle for the csm to spew forth from


Wait, I was promised ball cradling. If that isn't happening, I am not gonna show up!


I would like to see a signed note from your doctor saying that it was needed for medical reason ... then I will consider it

Live on Eve Radio Sundays 15:00 GMT with me & friends talking about Eve and stuff. Twitter, Facebook TotalEve
Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#49 - 2012-08-18 17:40:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Caroline Grace
Please address player concern about (from me as well).

Story content in Eve.

Sound revamp in need.

Thankies.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.
marlinspike von Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-08-18 17:53:32 UTC
i would like to hear more about live events
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#51 - 2012-08-18 17:56:38 UTC
I have a question about account security. What does the CSM think about the idea of providing an option to provide a keyboard on the login screen so players can use a mouse to enter their passwords instead of having to enter using the keyboard?

The Nosy Gamer - CCP Random: "hehe, falls under the category: nice try, but no. ;)"
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#52 - 2012-08-18 19:22:38 UTC
What does CSM feel about the lack of features for winter?

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
MrBlades
Eve Radio Corporation
#53 - 2012-08-18 22:32:39 UTC  |  Edited by: MrBlades
Stand alone podcast of the main content of the CSM Townhall is now available for download by browsing to http://www.eve-radio.com/csmtownhall.
ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#54 - 2012-08-18 22:45:23 UTC
MrBlades wrote:
Stand alone podcast of the main content of the CSM Townhall is now available for download by browsing to http://www.everadio.com/csmtownhall.


Thank you MrBlades! Downloading right now!

ISD Eshtir

Captain

Community Communication Liaisons

Interstellar Services Department
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-08-18 23:03:08 UTC
really should have been done as a video steam tbh. Could not tell who was talking
DJWiggles
Eve Radio Corporation
#56 - 2012-08-18 23:41:11 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
really should have been done as a video steam tbh. Could not tell who was talking


this would have been very hard to do ... unless you want to pay to fly everyone together and accommodation etc????

Live on Eve Radio Sundays 15:00 GMT with me & friends talking about Eve and stuff. Twitter, Facebook TotalEve
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-08-18 23:49:10 UTC
DJWiggles wrote:
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
really should have been done as a video steam tbh. Could not tell who was talking


this would have been very hard to do ... unless you want to pay to fly everyone together and accommodation etc????


Don't be daft. Easily could have done skype video conferencing and streamed it via Owned TV. Something like this
http://www.syednetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/oovoo-6way-even-smaller.jpg
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2012-08-18 23:52:01 UTC
does DJWiggles' use of webradio make him unfamiliar with visual mediums?
Ghazu
#59 - 2012-08-19 03:54:52 UTC
MrBlades wrote:
Stand alone podcast of the main content of the CSM Townhall is now available for download by browsing to http://www.eve-radio.com/csmtownhall.


Thanks.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#60 - 2012-08-19 09:37:31 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
I just suffered thru listening to the "townhall meeting" CCP PLEASE REALISE the CSM IS FOR NULL/LO SECC, ABOUT NULL/LO AND addresses no non NULL/LO ISSUES: they did not talk jack sh!tze about WH/HI! If CCP does not realise it ( and from the CCP comments I heard ) they are ignoring the elephant in the room and thier heads are in the ground!
CSM elections have to be changed to be more representative of the majority of EVE .. CCP PLEASE realise that HI SEC is not at all represented in the CSM!
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'