EVE General Discussion

Nah all good, I prefer being cheap and ditzy.

You are wrong. Very, very wrong.

Within 6 months of starting Eve for the first time, I launched POS in a class 2 wormhole with no support or backup whatsoever. I raised the money myself, ran the thing myself, hauled the fuel myself, and got rich by myself.

I've run a few missions in my day(didn't much like it), and I've done a hell of a lot of ninja salvaging. Truth is, unless you take the bait and shoot, their ninjaing doesn't actually hamper your income all that much.

Now, when I feel like doing some quiet PvE to make ends meet, I do lowsec exploration and puil 50-60 million isk/hr.

It's not that this game is skewed towards PvP. It's simply that to be good at PvE requires being *aware* of threats and knowing how to evade or deter.

Here's a fun excercise: Go down the list of PvE activities, and correlate how much attention each activity requires with how much crying that profession has on the forums. Miners cry constantly because they're always AFK and get killed. MIssion runners cry occassionally when they get ninja'd or ganked(but this has gone down due to ninja salvaging nerfs and increased awareness). W-space dwelling bears pretty much don't cry at all because they watch their d-scan or know what they're getting themselves into. Same thing for lowsec explorers, nullbears, and highsec traders.

The only solo eve professions that actually have problems are the ones that encourage you to leave your computer and go AFK. If you do a high-attention high-reward activity, you'll rapidly learn how to counter threats and find yourself raking in high profits.

Not empty quoting.

Then either you initiated the conflict by shooting first or stealing from the player that destroyed you, or destroying you cost them their ship.

That's how HS works; PvP is either consensual or it costs the attacker their ship (or a Wardec fee, but that's only kind of non-consensual).

Beg to differ. Being attacked is not limited to lowsec and below. I experienced it first hand. And it was far from consensual. That was why I began this thread.

Not ruining anything. Just discussing it. If anything, the aggressiveness of other players has ruined the game for me. No one is changing the game on you.

In that case, it cost the attacker their ship. Because, unless you shot them first (after they stole something of yours) or you stole something from them, CONCORD came by after some delay and blew up their ship.

That's what the "or" was in there for.

With some details, I could explain to you exactly what happened.

Identifying what Eve is, is not the same as defning what Eve should be in ones opinion. One is a fact, the other is not. Eve is a competative game. Nothing you do in this game is done without screwing someone else, wether you intend it or not. Even something as simple and seemingly innoscent as mining in high sec alone can be seen as an act of aggression against another corp already there trying to corner the market and get access to the ores your pulling without their permission.

All of this is by design, has existed since at least as long as I have played (over 6 years) and nothing in Eve's history has ever suggested that there was anything remotetly approaching "consentual" or "without consequence" behavior. Simply by logging in, you are screwing someone and if you play long enough, you will discover that people don't take kindly to it and in time you might find that you don't take kindly to other players seemingly "innoscent" activities.

Should there be PvE in Eve? Abso-*******-lutley. And there is, lots of it. From Missions, to Complexes, from Ratting, to exploration, from mining to manufacuring, from research to trading, from hauling to the countless services that go with it. In a sense, the large majority of what happens in the game is very strictly PvE... but and this is the important part, all of this so called "PvE" content happens in competition for ISK, really the primary driving force behind everything that takes place in the game. The earning of ISK is a endevour which ultimatly creates competative play at every level and without that "I'm going to do something about my competition" mechanic... aka ... pissed enough to shoot, the game would frankly be extremly boring.

Oh and burger, anyone who think PvP takes no skill is by definition a complete noob. Only the uninformed share this opinion.

EVE doesn't have any "Safe" areas. Nor is it meant to. SISI is the closest thing to a safe EVE (actually, it is safe, but its PCU numbers show how interesting that is).

If you got shot in HS, anywhere in HS, the attackers ships were destroyed by CONCORD, unless you did something to allow them to shoot you (stealing from one of their cans/wrecks, shooting them after they stole from yours, or shooting them because they're an outlaw). The timer for CONCORD varies by system security level, not by location.

Of course it's both PvE and PvP. You can fight NPCs. PvE.
You are not isolated if you do this but can be affected by other players, among other things in a negative way. PvP

So it's both.
If you don't want the PvP aspect, you're asking for pure PvE, and I don't think anyone ever said you can have that in Eve.

I also disagree with the opinion that basically everything in Eve is PvP .. I agree that basically everything in Eve has a PvP element, though.