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Why no support for solo PvE players?

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Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#81 - 2012-08-14 21:01:28 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Pip Mayo wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

Shooting scripted red crosses all day is not pvp.


No, it is a PvE element. But since when shooting scripted red crosses still led to my demise by another player, the game itself is all PvP.



Because you put yourself in a position to be affected by another player. You did it, not the game.


Are you hearing yourself? By your own admission, I have to place myself in a position not to be affected by another player. PvP? I think so.
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
Top Shelf
#82 - 2012-08-14 21:06:06 UTC
-_-

If you don't like PvP EvE is obviously not the game for you. People can and will blow you up because they can.

If you like the Solo PvE experience of other MMOs you could give them a try. WoW, Rift, GW2 all have PvE that is able to be done solo with no chance of dieing and losing all your stuff.



o/
Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2012-08-14 21:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarra Mandalin
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Oh goodie lets scare away all the new players. Roll


No. People tried to help him, this isn't his thing. If he wanted to join a corp (say E-Uni) and learn something, be sociable, etc., he could.

I'm thinking the OP is really Nerf Burger's other troll alt. But I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Have a cookie Nerf, you'll feel all better. We know you're L33T, you keep telling us....kinda like Anslo.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#84 - 2012-08-14 21:07:16 UTC
Forum Harlot wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
EVE is a sandbox which should allow for solo pve as well as other playstyles.


To say you can't do solo PVE in this game (Exploration, WHs, low- null- and high-sec missions...) honestly only says more about your knowledge of the game than the game itself. In a game design for multiplayer/cooperation gameplay (The MMO would've been the first clue) it's obviously most efficient to go at it with some friends, but you're pretty bad if you can't thrive of PVE as a lone wolf in EVE.

Nerf Burger wrote:
If you just want pvp, there are other games that do it much better and actually require skills as a player and not just time spent and knowledge.


wat



Ah, yes, mindless assumptions. Nobody said you can't do solo pve already. There is always room for improvement .

and yes, the pvp in EVE is pretty awful and skilless in the eyes of most competitive pvpers. You could even easily argue that WoW takes more skill than eve, seeing how you actually have to use terrain in that game and it requires more than 3 buttons.
Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#85 - 2012-08-14 21:08:10 UTC
Please let's fix this misconception...

PvP environment: A game in which, at any time another player can affect your play by attacking you without your consent.
PvE environment: A game in which, at no time can another player affect your play by attacking you without your consent.

PvP play: Interacting with (shooting) other players for loot, advancement, and fun.
PvE play: Interacting with (shooting) NPCs for loot, advancement, and fun.

EVE is a PvP game with PvE elements.
Jim Era
#86 - 2012-08-14 21:08:23 UTC
Pip don't argue. They will eat you alive in here. You are actively partaking in forum PvP.
You seem to continue so this may be an indicator that you like it?
Possibly try looking up the diplomacy side of EVE...the politics are massive here.

Wat™
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#87 - 2012-08-14 21:11:26 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
Pip don't argue. They will eat you alive in here. You are actively partaking in forum PvP.
You seem to continue so this may be an indicator that you like it?
Possibly try looking up the diplomacy side of EVE...the politics are massive here.

Forums PvP is the ultimate competition.

Do your best !

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#88 - 2012-08-14 21:12:28 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Pip Mayo wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

Shooting scripted red crosses all day is not pvp.


No, it is a PvE element. But since when shooting scripted red crosses still led to my demise by another player, the game itself is all PvP.



Because you put yourself in a position to be affected by another player. You did it, not the game.


Are you hearing yourself? By your own admission, I have to place myself in a position not to be affected by another player. PvP? I think so.



You appear to live in backward land. By not placing yourself in a position to be affected by another player you are avoiding pvp. Guy warps in, you warp out. No pvp. Guy steals from can, you don't fire. No pvp. Guy enters system, you cloak. No pvp. Target player and hit F1-F8. PvP.

It seems that what you are looking for is nanny state pve, meaning that you want the company to coddle and shield you. If so then yes, this game is not for you. This game bears more of a carry yourself attitude to it.

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Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#89 - 2012-08-14 21:13:46 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:

Ah, yes, mindless assumptions. Nobody said you can't do solo pve already. There is always room for improvement .


Nerf Burger wrote:
EVE is a sandbox which should allow for solo pve as well as other playstyles. EVE cannot be described as a sandbox without meaningful solo play styles.


This most definitely implies EVE currently does not allow this. And a consequence of the game not allowing something, would be that you couldn't do it. Hence "You *can*...".
Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#90 - 2012-08-14 21:15:00 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Pip Mayo wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Pip Mayo wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

Shooting scripted red crosses all day is not pvp.


No, it is a PvE element. But since when shooting scripted red crosses still led to my demise by another player, the game itself is all PvP.



Because you put yourself in a position to be affected by another player. You did it, not the game.


Are you hearing yourself? By your own admission, I have to place myself in a position not to be affected by another player. PvP? I think so.



You appear to live in backward land. By not placing yourself in a position to be affected by another player you are avoiding pvp. Guy warps in, you warp out. No pvp. Guy steals from can, you don't fire. No pvp. Guy enters system, you cloak. No pvp. Target player and hit F1-F8. PvP.

It seems that what you are looking for is nanny state pve, meaning that you want the company to coddle and shield you. If so then yes, this game is not for you. This game bears more of a carry yourself attitude to it.



I get it. You are confusing PvP play with a PvP environment. Two different things. See above.
Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#91 - 2012-08-14 21:17:00 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
Pip don't argue. They will eat you alive in here. You are actively partaking in forum PvP.
You seem to continue so this may be an indicator that you like it?
Possibly try looking up the diplomacy side of EVE...the politics are massive here.


I started the discourse. Only responsible to participate. I am burning out as I type, though. It should die out soon enough. I should have defined PvP vs PvE at the begining. I can see it is not as clear as I had thought it.

Thanks
PM
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#92 - 2012-08-14 21:22:54 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
Jim Era wrote:
Pip don't argue. They will eat you alive in here. You are actively partaking in forum PvP.
You seem to continue so this may be an indicator that you like it?
Possibly try looking up the diplomacy side of EVE...the politics are massive here.


I started the discourse. Only responsible to participate. I am burning out as I type, though. It should die out soon enough. I should have defined PvP vs PvE at the begining. I can see it is not as clear as I had thought it.

Thanks
PM



Because it appears that your definition is vaguely different than the communities. Btw, I couldn't help but notice that you never did say where all those evil pvp happenings actually happened. It was low sec wasn't it? You did disregard the little warning box didn't you?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#93 - 2012-08-14 21:28:10 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
EVE is a sandbox which should allow for solo pve as well as other playstyles.
No. You're confusing it with your standard single-player open-world sandbox game.

EVE is a multiplayer sandbox — multiplayer being the operative word. This does not mean that you can do what you want. It means everyone can do what they want and that will include things that you do not want them to do (to you). If you want to do something, you have to ensure that other players will let you do it, because the game offers no such assurances.

Or, as Malcanis once put it: sandbox does not mean that you can excel at anything you attempt — it means you can attempt anything you wish to excel at. One of the main obstacles towards that goal will be other players. This is by design.
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2012-08-14 21:31:23 UTC
Definately check out X3 Terran Conflict if you want a Solo PVE Spaceship sandbox. Its a great game and I usually play it whenever I burn out from EVE. They even have a very active forum and mod community.

EVE isn't for everyone, though it is possible to avoid the more nasty side of PVP 'splosions if you play smart. Sadly you can never escape direct competition with other players. Though I personally wouldn't have it any other way...

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Whadafool
State War Academy
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-08-14 21:37:23 UTC
this is like the best troll ive ever seen. look at all these mad people Big smile

stuff
Pipa Porto
#96 - 2012-08-14 21:38:20 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
Please let's fix this misconception...

PvP environment: A game in which, at any time another player can affect your play by attacking you without your consent.
PvE environment: A game in which, at no time can another player affect your play by attacking you without your consent.

PvP play: Interacting with (shooting) other players for loot, advancement, and fun.
PvE play: Interacting with (shooting) NPCs for loot, advancement, and fun.

EVE is a PvP game with PvE elements.


Which is a problem.... how?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#97 - 2012-08-14 21:40:16 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players. Even when joining a corp for support, there has to be PvP elements to prevent PvE activities from being disrupted by PvP players. I am not talking about PvE missions or DED space. I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing?? Can a player expand as a courier or a miner without PvP support? So far, I cannot find a way to do it.

Everyone with whom I have had contact seems to feel this game is both PvE and PvP, yet they always stipulate you must protect yourself, you must not risk more than you are willing to lose, you should join a corp for protection, etc. Where in there lies a PvE game?

The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?



Well, seeing as how being a merchant in this game IS PvP (you vs the other merchant) and mining IS PvP (you getting the ore before the other guy)

That must only leave missioning and PLEXing

FC, what do?
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#98 - 2012-08-14 21:40:55 UTC
Whadafool wrote:
this is like the best troll ive ever seen. look at all these mad people Big smile



As much as I hate that word I'm afraid you are most likely correct in this matter. I bid ado and take my leave.

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Pipa Porto
#99 - 2012-08-14 21:50:17 UTC
highonpop wrote:
That must only leave missioning and PLEXing


You're selling LP and ISK in competition with everyone else.

Remember, buying things with money is selling money to buy stuff. Selling stuff is buying money.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Anslo
Scope Works
#100 - 2012-08-14 22:33:19 UTC
People wrote:
stuff about my losses


So? I had fun tossing Archons around like no bodies business. Isn't that the point? Go pew and have fun? If you loose something, d'oh well!

At least I have the balls to run around with a carrier. Don't fly what you can't afford to loose? Well...I can afford to loose a LOT :3

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