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Why no support for solo PvE players?

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Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#61 - 2012-08-14 20:33:22 UTC
And nothing of value was lost that day.
Anslo
Scope Works
#62 - 2012-08-14 20:34:53 UTC
Hiyora Akachi wrote:
[quote=Anslo]
KB's say otherwise.
And if this IS your main then you really have no credibility to say anything in this matter regarding PvE vs PvP.

Also, so he made a mistake. Fine. People do that. Why bash him? Why not just say, "Ouch, tough **** dude. But live and learn and move on. There's always a way to get back up. You keep learning and you get better," as opposed to telling him to just get off EVE? Why not help RETAIN new players by helping them out? Diversify the player pool, bring in new people, instead of letting it stagnant to PvE people versus PvP people. It's STUPID.
/quote]


Mr. BanPvP wants people to have extensive KBs to argue a point on the forums?

Lolwut.


Lost a few ships in the time I've played. Mostly PvE mission runners because I ****** up and didn't realize that ship I locked was player or something else stupid.

I got dead then I got smart.

This guy got dead then he got whiny....






>implying my talk about banning PvP isn't satirical commentary on the state of our server's community

Do your research scrub, then come talk to me.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#63 - 2012-08-14 20:36:46 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
The actual chances of being scanned down by the big bad ninja salvager are much lower than you think. If and when he does there is no rule actually stating that you have to go after him. What is one missions loot when you run a dozen a day?

There is nothing saying that you have to group up when mining, just be smart about what you fly and where. You remember those missions that were just mentioned above? Well many of them contain rocks. I'm willing to be that suiciders tend to stick to belt patrols far more rather than care enough to scan down lone ships in deadspace and grav sites.

Courier should be the easy one. Light cargo, fast align.

So tell me, what's the supposed handicap here for pve players?


That's not PvE. That's PvP.

By the way, I did all you said. Killed by PvPer on first courier run with light cargo. Killed by PvPer on first group foray to get wealthier rocks. Killed by PvPer who wasn't there when we arrived but was sure there once we were engaged with NPC (PvE) pirates.

I do not understand why someone who knows EVE will still insist EVE is also a PvE game.



Shooting scripted red crosses all day is not pvp.

And let me guess, you went into low sec and didn't heed the warning that pops up saying 'watch out, the boogeyman may be out there'. Did you check your D-scan? Did you keep an eye on your overview? Did you make safespots? Did you watch local?

I spent several years myself running missions and even now when I'm bored I hit up a scan site. It's not the horrible reality that you are attempting to make it out to be if you make at least a minimal effort to cover your own ass.

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Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
Top Shelf
#64 - 2012-08-14 20:38:13 UTC
Oh yes, the 59.46 billion in ship losses TRULY proves that your are less of a scrub than I....
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#65 - 2012-08-14 20:39:20 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
Whadafool wrote:
Pip Mayo wrote:



are smart (a successful terrorist group or a successful immigrant), or dead (R.I.P.)




when did this thread get racist XD


How's that racist?



Yeah, that's more nationalist than racist (or maybe just ignorant with the terrorist portion).

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-08-14 20:40:29 UTC
Anslo wrote:

>implying my talk about banning PvP isn't satirical commentary on the state of our server's community

Do your research scrub, then come talk to me.


Quality WCS Scorpion, chum. Sure this is enough buffer? ANother SPR would've saved ya.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-08-14 20:45:09 UTC
Anslo wrote:
The reason I make the commentary I do about banning PvP is to point out just how damn polarized the community is.


Yeah but when you were doing that gimmick (ugh, how I fell for that troll) you were pretending to advocate a position that only a very tiny minority of people support. The extent of nonconsensual PvP that should be allowed in hisec is genuinely debatable, but banning PvP outright is something even the most carebeariest types wouldn't support.

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Pipa Porto
#68 - 2012-08-14 20:47:16 UTC
Forum Harlot wrote:
Anslo wrote:

>implying my talk about banning PvP isn't satirical commentary on the state of our server's community

Do your research scrub, then come talk to me.


Quality WCS Scorpion, chum. Sure this is enough buffer? ANother SPR would've saved ya.



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Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-08-14 20:47:48 UTC
Forum Harlot wrote:
Anslo wrote:

>implying my talk about banning PvP isn't satirical commentary on the state of our server's community

Do your research scrub, then come talk to me.


Quality WCS Scorpion, chum. Sure this is enough buffer? ANother SPR would've saved ya.


Rigs might of helped. $58B in losses. I"m bookmarking this.
Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#70 - 2012-08-14 20:49:07 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

Shooting scripted red crosses all day is not pvp.


No, it is a PvE element. But since when shooting scripted red crosses still led to my demise by another player, the game itself is all PvP.
Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#71 - 2012-08-14 20:50:24 UTC
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
Forum Harlot wrote:
Anslo wrote:

>implying my talk about banning PvP isn't satirical commentary on the state of our server's community

Do your research scrub, then come talk to me.


Quality WCS Scorpion, chum. Sure this is enough buffer? ANother SPR would've saved ya.


Rigs might of helped. $58B in losses. I"m bookmarking this.


Oh, he's far too busy throwing Archons into a fire to worry about rigging a puny Drake.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#72 - 2012-08-14 20:50:45 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
This simply is not a solo PvE game.

Play any number of single player games if you don't want PvP.


MMOs are not just for PvP, they also are for games with cooperative play. Most MMOs supporting PvE encourage and support cooperative play. In a PvP environment with no controls, you cannot play that way. It is always PvP. I was just looking for the other style of gameplay. EVE does not provide it.


EVE is all about cooperative play.

.
Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#73 - 2012-08-14 20:51:50 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Pip Mayo wrote:
Whadafool wrote:
Pip Mayo wrote:



are smart (a successful terrorist group or a successful immigrant), or dead (R.I.P.)




when did this thread get racist XD


How's that racist?



Yeah, that's more nationalist than racist (or maybe just ignorant with the terrorist portion).


Uh... Now that's nationalist (if that's a word). I made no assumption terrorists come from only certain countries. You are reading too much into it.
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#74 - 2012-08-14 20:51:57 UTC
EVE is a PVP game and unfortunately, the staff at CCP never has quite made it clear to newcomers with their incredible videos of people dying around floating in space and ships exploding that the one that will end up floating dead and exploding will usually be you.

They have never ever made it known that this game, in their adverts is about ships exploding as people derp in voicecomms and alpha you or gank you or bring 100000 times more people than you, nope, not a single video relates such things.

All EVE Online videos show is you being filled with gold and medals and pushing a single red button repeatedly that explodes everything near you to your amusement.

Because when I see the EVE Online videos all I see is happy people dancing around holding hands , not a single video of people taking choices on being a scammer, stealing corp assets or joining in a corp for mutual protection against others that just wan to steal, lie, rob , gank or violate you with endless ultraviolence stemming from the fact the game is spreadsheets in space with animated ships orbiting around in slow motion and throwing lame fancy lights that no matter how much they physically hit the model do no damage whatsoever.

Damn CCPers , they really need to make videos showing what EVE is really about. We need fancy movie artists saying how they are ingame avatars that look like them even if you cant make you look like yourself , destroying everything and laughing as they get paid more $$$$$ millions just to say they play a game they barely even know it existed.

Thats what we need. Not this misleading ad campaign where all they show is happiness and well being.


So confusing, ughhh! My head hurts

I like apple pie.

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Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-08-14 20:53:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
EVE is a sandbox which should allow for solo pve as well as other playstyles. EVE cannot be described as a sandbox without meaningful solo play styles.

If you just want pvp, there are other games that do it much better and actually require skills as a player and not just time spent and knowledge of game mechanics.
Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#76 - 2012-08-14 20:55:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Pip Mayo
Roime wrote:
Pip Mayo wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
This simply is not a solo PvE game.

Play any number of single player games if you don't want PvP.


MMOs are not just for PvP, they also are for games with cooperative play. Most MMOs supporting PvE encourage and support cooperative play. In a PvP environment with no controls, you cannot play that way. It is always PvP. I was just looking for the other style of gameplay. EVE does not provide it.


EVE is all about cooperative play.


I agree. But the cooperation in a PvP environment is necessary for survival. The cooperation in a PvE environment doesn't require you to hire a bodyguard.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#77 - 2012-08-14 20:56:50 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

Shooting scripted red crosses all day is not pvp.


No, it is a PvE element. But since when shooting scripted red crosses still led to my demise by another player, the game itself is all PvP.



Because you put yourself in a position to be affected by another player. You did it, not the game.

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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#78 - 2012-08-14 20:58:22 UTC
Oh goodie lets scare away all the new players. Roll
Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#79 - 2012-08-14 20:58:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Forum Harlot
Nerf Burger wrote:
EVE is a sandbox which should allow for solo pve as well as other playstyles.


To say you can't do solo PVE in this game (Exploration, WHs, low- null- and high-sec missions...) honestly only says more about your knowledge of the game than the game itself. In a game design for multiplayer/cooperation gameplay (The MMO would've been the first clue) it's obviously most efficient to go at it with some friends, but you're pretty bad if you can't thrive of PVE as a lone wolf in EVE.

Nerf Burger wrote:
If you just want pvp, there are other games that do it much better and actually require skills as a player and not just time spent and knowledge.


wat
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
Top Shelf
#80 - 2012-08-14 20:58:47 UTC
Solo PvE is possible.....you'll die eventually but you can PvE on your own.