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Why no support for solo PvE players?

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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-08-14 20:09:01 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players. Even when joining a corp for support, there has to be PvP elements to prevent PvE activities from being disrupted by PvP players. I am not talking about PvE missions or DED space. I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing?? Can a player expand as a courier or a miner without PvP support? So far, I cannot find a way to do it.

Everyone with whom I have had contact seems to feel this game is both PvE and PvP, yet they always stipulate you must protect yourself, you must not risk more than you are willing to lose, you should join a corp for protection, etc. Where in there lies a PvE game?

The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?



I have made so much money at "Eve solo mode" that its not even funny. Read "ISK the guide" for starters.
Pipa Porto
#42 - 2012-08-14 20:10:02 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
I appreciate the encouragement, but I play games to relax. A "realworld" game like EVE just puts me into a "realworld" depression. Not fun.

Thanks, though. 8)


And, in the words of our Dear Leader*, that's fine. You really don't have to like EVE. It's not for everyone. I wish you luck in finding a game that suits you better.

Kristoffer Touborg/CCP Soundwave wrote:
It isn’t really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there’s customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don’t like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. EVE isn’t for everyone. I wish it was, but the reality is that there are some people who just enjoy playing another game more. And that’s not really that bad.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/27/eve-devs-our-game-is-the-mmo-equivalent-of-running-inferno-solo-with-a-naked-barbarian/


*CCP Soundwave, not the other Dear Leader of EVE.























PS. Can I have your stuff?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-08-14 20:10:05 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
They really should focus on the PVE, stick to what they are good at. PVP in EVE is a skilless joke that real pvpers stay away from.


Still at it Nerf? +1 for perseverance.
Anslo
Scope Works
#44 - 2012-08-14 20:10:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Hiyora Akachi wrote:
Anslo. Move along to your room now, the grown ups are talking.


But yeah, EvE isn't built around Solo PvE. You either get friends, get smart, or get dead.


EDIT: Also, weak inexperienced players move 500mil in t1 haulers? How the hell do you have 500mil in goodies if your a newbie?


Like I said, polarized. Why should he have to do that? If he wants to run missions all day, let him run missions. He wants to do courier? Let him courier. He shouldn't have to do anything anyone else's way. It's people like you that cause others (gamer and non-gamer) laugh at this community.

EDIT: Hiyora Akachi post with your main.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#45 - 2012-08-14 20:11:09 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:

I appreciate the encouragement, but I play games to relax. A "realworld" game like EVE just puts me into a "realworld" depression. Not fun.

Thanks, though. 8)


You're brand new, have just shy of 30d of gametime left.

Do this.

1. find some people to chat with (locals in your mission hub for example)
2. if they're pretty cool people, look to joining their corp
3. if the corp fits what your playstyle is, sign up
4. BS with your corpies about whatever whilst doing your thing.


now, that said ... casual corps are fun ... but they're not necessarily the best out there, in that it's sometimes hard to get help when you need it.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-08-14 20:12:29 UTC
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
They really should focus on the PVE, stick to what they are good at. PVP in EVE is a skilless joke that real pvpers stay away from.


Still at it Nerf? +1 for perseverance.


its true though. EVE takes 0 skill, I've played long enough to realize that. I play eve for its complexity and depth. I get my pvp fix elsewhere, where my skills as a player actually matter in combat.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#47 - 2012-08-14 20:14:04 UTC
Hiyora Akachi wrote:
Jax Bederen wrote:

In other words, throw the newbie to the vultures.



GD isn't populated by vultures.

We're obviously wolves.



Depends on your preference, really... though I do like the looks of the Wolf over the Vulture.Twisted

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#48 - 2012-08-14 20:15:11 UTC
Anslo wrote:

Like I said, polarized. Why should he have to do that? If he wants to run missions all day, let him run missions. He wants to do courier? Let him courier. He shouldn't have to do anything anyone else's way. It's people like you that others (gamer and non-gamer) laugh at this community.

EDIT: Hiyora Akachi post with your main.



But this is my main.


Also, I mission run. I just don't do stupid **** to get killed. If he wants to haul 500mil in stuff in a T1 hauler he should have scouted ahead or hidden it with containers.

He doesn't have to play anyone elses way. He just has to not be a moron when he plays.

Simple as that.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#49 - 2012-08-14 20:17:48 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
This thread is horrible and you should feel bad for making it.


I already apologized. But it is not horrible, it was a noobie question.



You are trying to point out certain pvp elements and then claim there is no pve. Yes you should protect yourself when performing such elements but that in no way detracts from any pve content. If you want to run missions then run missions. The actual chances of being scanned down by the big bad ninja salvager are much lower than you think. If and when he does there is no rule actually stating that you have to go after him. What is one missions loot when you run a dozen a day?

There is nothing saying that you have to group up when mining, just be smart about what you fly and where. You remember those missions that were just mentioned above? Well many of them contain rocks. I'm willing to be that suiciders tend to stick to belt patrols far more rather than care enough to scan down lone ships in deadspace and grav sites.

Courier should be the easy one. Light cargo, fast align.

So tell me, what's the supposed handicap here for pve players?

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Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#50 - 2012-08-14 20:20:02 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Pip Mayo wrote:

I appreciate the encouragement, but I play games to relax. A "realworld" game like EVE just puts me into a "realworld" depression. Not fun.

Thanks, though. 8)


You're brand new, have just shy of 30d of gametime left.

Do this.

1. find some people to chat with (locals in your mission hub for example)
2. if they're pretty cool people, look to joining their corp
3. if the corp fits what your playstyle is, sign up
4. BS with your corpies about whatever whilst doing your thing.


now, that said ... casual corps are fun ... but they're not necessarily the best out there, in that it's sometimes hard to get help when you need it.



Yes. I joined a casual and very small corp. We enjoy the same things, but it is not enough. A bigger clan of wolves can always take you down.


Just a thought:

Something about this being a sandbox. Has anyone noticed this rule-of-thumb, "You either get friends, get smart, or get dead"? If you look at the real world, you are only safe if you have friends (a good country with good laws), are smart (a successful terrorist group or a successful immigrant), or dead (R.I.P.)

What does that say about our world community and human psyche? That when a sandbox is populated by players from what should be successful and safe environments, still end up building the same world.
Anslo
Scope Works
#51 - 2012-08-14 20:20:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Hiyora Akachi wrote:
Anslo wrote:

Like I said, polarized. Why should he have to do that? If he wants to run missions all day, let him run missions. He wants to do courier? Let him courier. He shouldn't have to do anything anyone else's way. It's people like you that others (gamer and non-gamer) laugh at this community.

EDIT: Hiyora Akachi post with your main.



But this is my main.


Also, I mission run. I just don't do stupid **** to get killed. If he wants to haul 500mil in stuff in a T1 hauler he should have scouted ahead or hidden it with containers.

He doesn't have to play anyone elses way. He just has to not be a moron when he plays.

Simple as that.


KB's say otherwise. And if this IS your main then you really have no credibility to say anything in this matter regarding PvE vs PvP.


Also, so he made a mistake. Fine. People do that. Why bash him? Why not just say, "Ouch, tough **** dude. But live and learn and move on. There's always a way to get back up. You keep learning and you get better," as opposed to telling him to just get off EVE? Why not help RETAIN new players by helping them out? Diversify the player pool, bring in new people, instead of letting it stagnant to PvE people versus PvP people. It's STUPID.

Also lol@ your adult's are talking comment. If this is your main (and I know you're lying out your ass), then you REALLY have no credibility to say that, child ;)

Pip Mayo wrote:

Something about this being a sandbox. Has anyone noticed this rule-of-thumb, "You either get friends, get smart, or get dead"? If you look at the real world, you are only safe if you have friends (a good country with good laws), are smart (a successful terrorist group or a successful immigrant), or dead (R.I.P.)

What does that say about our world community and human psyche? That when a sandbox is populated by players from what should be successful and safe environments, still end up building the same world.


Like I said in my first post to you, this game is full of psychos. How do we avoid psychos in the real world? Avoid the bad parts of town lol.

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Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#52 - 2012-08-14 20:20:41 UTC
Velicitia wrote:

Depends on your preference, really... though I do like the looks of the Wolf over the Vulture.Twisted



I love the fact those ships actually exist.
Just Lilly
#53 - 2012-08-14 20:21:47 UTC
The test server is great for PvE stuff, no1 will hear you scream there and you will be left very much alone
and do whatever your heart desire.

And everything costs 100 isk, so all you need to do to fly that dream pimp ship of yours, is to shoot random rat
in highsec, collect the bounty and you're all set.

And other players are not allowed to shoot at you, not even in low, null or wspace.
Unless you enter the specific pvp system dedicated for pvp.

Other then that, no pvp allowed.

Great way to test different fits and push the limits of what you can handle.
If your ship explode, you just buy another and go at it again.
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Whadafool
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-08-14 20:23:08 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:



are smart (a successful terrorist group or a successful immigrant), or dead (R.I.P.)




when did this thread get racist XD

stuff
Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#55 - 2012-08-14 20:26:38 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
The actual chances of being scanned down by the big bad ninja salvager are much lower than you think. If and when he does there is no rule actually stating that you have to go after him. What is one missions loot when you run a dozen a day?

There is nothing saying that you have to group up when mining, just be smart about what you fly and where. You remember those missions that were just mentioned above? Well many of them contain rocks. I'm willing to be that suiciders tend to stick to belt patrols far more rather than care enough to scan down lone ships in deadspace and grav sites.

Courier should be the easy one. Light cargo, fast align.

So tell me, what's the supposed handicap here for pve players?


That's not PvE. That's PvP.

By the way, I did all you said. Killed by PvPer on first courier run with light cargo. Killed by PvPer on first group foray to get wealthier rocks. Killed by PvPer who wasn't there when we arrived but was sure there once we were engaged with NPC (PvE) pirates.

I do not understand why someone who knows EVE will still insist EVE is also a PvE game.
Anslo
Scope Works
#56 - 2012-08-14 20:28:04 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
The actual chances of being scanned down by the big bad ninja salvager are much lower than you think. If and when he does there is no rule actually stating that you have to go after him. What is one missions loot when you run a dozen a day?

There is nothing saying that you have to group up when mining, just be smart about what you fly and where. You remember those missions that were just mentioned above? Well many of them contain rocks. I'm willing to be that suiciders tend to stick to belt patrols far more rather than care enough to scan down lone ships in deadspace and grav sites.

Courier should be the easy one. Light cargo, fast align.

So tell me, what's the supposed handicap here for pve players?


That's not PvE. That's PvP.

By the way, I did all you said. Killed by PvPer on first courier run with light cargo. Killed by PvPer on first group foray to get wealthier rocks. Killed by PvPer who wasn't there when we arrived but was sure there once we were engaged with NPC (PvE) pirates.

I do not understand why someone who knows EVE will still insist EVE is also a PvE game.


You just need to learn them my man. Eve is harsh, no questions there, absolutely. But it isn't without help. Send me a message via eve-mail in game. I'll be online in a bit and I can help you out to the best of my ability.

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Jim Era
#57 - 2012-08-14 20:28:41 UTC
Forum PvP in this thread

Wat™
Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#58 - 2012-08-14 20:29:19 UTC
Whadafool wrote:
Pip Mayo wrote:



are smart (a successful terrorist group or a successful immigrant), or dead (R.I.P.)




when did this thread get racist XD


How's that racist?
Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#59 - 2012-08-14 20:31:40 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Pip Mayo wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
The actual chances of being scanned down by the big bad ninja salvager are much lower than you think. If and when he does there is no rule actually stating that you have to go after him. What is one missions loot when you run a dozen a day?

There is nothing saying that you have to group up when mining, just be smart about what you fly and where. You remember those missions that were just mentioned above? Well many of them contain rocks. I'm willing to be that suiciders tend to stick to belt patrols far more rather than care enough to scan down lone ships in deadspace and grav sites.

Courier should be the easy one. Light cargo, fast align.

So tell me, what's the supposed handicap here for pve players?


That's not PvE. That's PvP.

By the way, I did all you said. Killed by PvPer on first courier run with light cargo. Killed by PvPer on first group foray to get wealthier rocks. Killed by PvPer who wasn't there when we arrived but was sure there once we were engaged with NPC (PvE) pirates.

I do not understand why someone who knows EVE will still insist EVE is also a PvE game.


You just need to learn them my man. Eve is harsh, no questions there, absolutely. But it isn't without help. Send me a message via eve-mail in game. I'll be online in a bit and I can help you out to the best of my ability.


I appreciate the offer. But I am sure EVE is not for me. I may jump on the test server during the rest of my time, but I am sure I will not dust off and have a go at it again.

If I had been the kind of person to thrive within adverse environments, I would probably not have ended up playing online games. 8D
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#60 - 2012-08-14 20:32:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiyora Akachi
Anslo wrote:

KB's say otherwise.
And if this IS your main then you really have no credibility to say anything in this matter regarding PvE vs PvP.

Also, so he made a mistake. Fine. People do that. Why bash him? Why not just say, "Ouch, tough **** dude. But live and learn and move on. There's always a way to get back up. You keep learning and you get better," as opposed to telling him to just get off EVE? Why not help RETAIN new players by helping them out? Diversify the player pool, bring in new people, instead of letting it stagnant to PvE people versus PvP people. It's STUPID.



Mr. BanPvP wants people to have extensive KBs to argue a point on the forums?

Lolwut.


Lost a few ships in the time I've played. Mostly PvE mission runners because I ****** up and didn't realize that ship I locked was player or something else stupid.

I got dead then I got smart.

This guy got dead then he got whiny....


EDIT: Fixed that quote, deleted part of the [/quote] :X