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Why no support for solo PvE players?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2012-08-14 19:50:09 UTC
ISD Etetia wrote:
Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion


This ISD likes torture. I can only approve
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#22 - 2012-08-14 19:50:35 UTC
This thread is horrible and you should feel bad for making it.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#23 - 2012-08-14 19:51:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
The reason I make the commentary I do about banning PvP is to point out just how damn polarized the community is.

EVE IS PVP DEAL WITH IT is the motto essentially.

NO YOU CAN'T PLAY THAT WAY DEAL WITH IT is its translation.

I wish I could verse it better but it'd take a wall of text. Bottom line, Eve really is a mirror of the real world; people secretly enjoy screwing others over and enjoying the pain from victims. It brings out the psycho in everyone. Sure some players PvE, they want to PvE and I feel they should be left to their whims. They aren't bothering me, they aren't killing the game for me, so why should I care?

Yet we have a vocal player base so against PvE that it's almost like a pseudo form of racism. If I had to coin a term, I'd call it play-ism. They think you HAVE to play x way and can ONLY play x way. If you play y way, then you will be ridiculed and FORCED to play x way no matter what.

Honestly, you're right, there isn't support for solo PvE players and it's very sad. All the "don't play Eve if you just want PvE" to me is stupid and rude. You SHOULD be allowed to play the space game your way without some jackass interrupting your free and pleasurable time, sand box or not. Sadly, the majority of players are psychos.

My advise? Stick to highsec, stay in an NPC corp (which is NOTHING to be ashamed of, it's the smart thing to do if you just want to PvE), and keep a low profile. Do that, and you basically can do whatever the hell you want. If you wanna goto low sec and PvE eeh...different story, but there's way.

Either way, there's ways to solo PvE all day erryday, but sadly most won't support it because they don't think Eve should be played that way. Just ignore the assholes who say that and continue to play your way. You pay for this damn game, why should someone else tell YOU how to play?

EDIT: Talked about banning PVE instead of PVP ^^;

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Whadafool
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-08-14 19:52:47 UTC
Anslo wrote:
The reason I make the commentary I do about banning PvE is to point out just how damn polarized the community is.




if you were going to do this then everything in eve would have to be made free, which imo would make eve a lot less interesting

stuff
Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#25 - 2012-08-14 19:54:14 UTC
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
Eve is an MMO, so just because PvE is not optimized for single-player doesn't take away from what it is -- it is both PvP and PvE, which also includes categories you eliminated and didn't mention. These, like exploration, incursions etc. are no less PvE.


No. It is PvP with PvE elements. EVE is not both. Other MMOs provide both. EVE does not.

Amarra Mandalin wrote:
Mining is probably the least effective thing to do solo. You could do the market solo and manufacturing with variable efficiency.


Why?

Amarra Mandalin wrote:
You can be a solo courier if you're smart -- it's not risk-free but can be low-risk.


Found that out the hard way. One little distracted conversation with my roommate, and half a billion ISK gone.

I just do not enjoy the stress of always looking over my shoulder. I play MMOs for social interaction and shared gameplay, not to compete with malicious and greedy players attacking weaker and less experienced players.

I just did not know what kind of game EVE was. Now I know.
Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-08-14 19:55:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarra Mandalin
PvE is a lie. There is no support for it: Roll

I can make money on my non-isk (at war 24/7 toon) just by selling stuff to fellow corpies who lose their stuffz.
Think out of the box.

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Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#27 - 2012-08-14 19:56:51 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
This thread is horrible and you should feel bad for making it.


I already apologized. But it is not horrible, it was a noobie question.
Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-08-14 20:00:37 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
Eve is an MMO, so just because PvE is not optimized for single-player doesn't take away from what it is -- it is both PvP and PvE, which also includes categories you eliminated and didn't mention. These, like exploration, incursions etc. are no less PvE.


No. It is PvP with PvE elements. EVE is not both. Other MMOs provide both. EVE does not.

Amarra Mandalin wrote:
Mining is probably the least effective thing to do solo. You could do the market solo and manufacturing with variable efficiency.


Why?

Amarra Mandalin wrote:
You can be a solo courier if you're smart -- it's not risk-free but can be low-risk.


Found that out the hard way. One little distracted conversation with my roommate, and half a billion ISK gone.

I just do not enjoy the stress of always looking over my shoulder. I play MMOs for social interaction and shared gameplay, not to compete with malicious and greedy players attacking weaker and less experienced players.

I just did not know what kind of game EVE was. Now I know.


Ah, Ok. yeah, Eve probably isn't for you, then.
Anslo
Scope Works
#29 - 2012-08-14 20:01:03 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
This thread is horrible and you should feel bad for making it.


I already apologized. But it is not horrible, it was a noobie question.


Pip, read what I said initially and don't give up. Just keep on plowing through and don't let a few elitists win by making you quit. If you don't want to PvP, don't. There's so many ways to just avoid it and do something else! Not ALWAYS, but most of the time!

Stay with us mate, and enjoy EVE!

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-08-14 20:01:16 UTC
how does a 'weaker and inexperienced player' get half a billion isk to fly around in an untanked t1 hauler?
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-08-14 20:03:46 UTC
Whadafool wrote:
well eve is a pvp game, always has and always will be!<- this is false, its a sandbox.

and soloing pve isnt hard at all, esp with an alt. <- then it isn't solo, but true solo pve is easy.

just got to ask your self though, why do you want to pve? for me its to make isk to enable pvp<- this is how many people are as well.
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#32 - 2012-08-14 20:05:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiyora Akachi
Anslo. Move along to your room now, the grown ups are talking.


But yeah, EvE isn't built around Solo PvE. You either get friends, get smart, or get dead.


EDIT: Also, weak inexperienced players move 500mil in t1 haulers? How the hell do you have 500mil in goodies if your a newbie?
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#33 - 2012-08-14 20:06:22 UTC
ISD Etetia wrote:
Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion


In other words, throw the newbie to the vultures.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#34 - 2012-08-14 20:06:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
@ OP -- you're right. EVE is not an "on rails PvE extravaganza" like a lot of other MMOs (e.g. WOW) that simply "include" PvP elements at times. It takes that "typical MMO" formula, and reverses it (i.e. sandbox that's heavy on the PvP, and has some PvE thrown in). As one of the devs put it "EvE = Everyone vs. Everyone"

IF you're playing in hisec, then you won't have too much to worry about ... just stay from super-populated areas, get to know the locals, and soon enough you'll recognise when there's something amiss.

As much as Anslo thinks removing PvP from EvE would make things better, he's not accounting for the fact that it would most likely kill whatever it is he likes to do (I still haven't figured it out ... it's either mining or mission running). PvP is absolutely necessary here, it's the only thing that keeps the markets moving ...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#35 - 2012-08-14 20:06:39 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Pip Mayo wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
This thread is horrible and you should feel bad for making it.


I already apologized. But it is not horrible, it was a noobie question.


Pip, read what I said initially and don't give up. Just keep on plowing through and don't let a few elitists win by making you quit. If you don't want to PvP, don't. There's so many ways to just avoid it and do something else! Not ALWAYS, but most of the time!

Stay with us mate, and enjoy EVE!


I appreciate the encouragement, but I play games to relax. A "realworld" game like EVE just puts me into a "realworld" depression. Not fun.

Thanks, though. 8)
Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-08-14 20:06:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarra Mandalin
Anslo wrote:
Pip Mayo wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
This thread is horrible and you should feel bad for making it.


I already apologized. But it is not horrible, it was a noobie question.


Pip, read what I said initially and don't give up. Just keep on plowing through and don't let a few elitists win by making you quit. If you don't want to PvP, don't. There's so many ways to just avoid it and do something else! Not ALWAYS, but most of the time!

Stay with us mate, and enjoy EVE!


I'm trying to be helpful, but I won't offer more to someone who isn't receptive to it. I know a lot of PvE players who go unmolested including, my own. But by virtue of the OPs comments, he's not really interested in this game or what it requires.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-08-14 20:07:34 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:

The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?


Give someone your stuff & leave.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#38 - 2012-08-14 20:07:35 UTC
Jax Bederen wrote:
ISD Etetia wrote:
Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion

In other words, throw the newbie to the vultures.

Poor newbie.

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Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#39 - 2012-08-14 20:08:04 UTC
Jax Bederen wrote:

In other words, throw the newbie to the vultures.



GD isn't populated by vultures.

We're obviously wolves.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-08-14 20:08:26 UTC
They really should focus on the PVE, stick to what they are good at. PVP in EVE is a skilless joke that real pvpers stay away from.