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Regarding AFK Complex Farming

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Rada Ionesco
Club a Seal
#521 - 2012-08-14 08:35:50 UTC
This has been going on forever and I don't see how this is an enforceable issue, or even why CCP thinks it is a problem. Is there some time limit that people have where they can safely be AFK? LOL. I am so glad I am cancelling my third account in a couple days, once again they are focusing on the unimportant and not on the important problems in this game, as usual. Cheers CCP, have fun not fixing your game, again, and again...
ManiakMogg
Lulzsec Space
#522 - 2012-08-14 10:54:49 UTC  |  Edited by: ManiakMogg
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
With that done, please ensure that any question you ask is relevant to THIS particular issue. CCP Sreegs has made it quite clear that his news story ONLY affects one particular form of AFK'ing and which one is mentioned quite clearly in the post he chose to quote.

Feel free to ask your questions, but remember that these forums operate with certain rules which can be found here, please make sure that when you post, you post following these rules.

I have cleaned this thread of as many off topic, trolling and personal attack posts as I can without completely destroying the thread; however if this behaviour continues I will lock it. While it is clear that many people are upset over this subject, please remember to post responsibly so that a proper discussion can take place and we can have a set of forums that we can all be proud of. Thank you for taking the time to read this, it is appreciated - ISD Type40.

So just fix this buggy plexes, and all its done, i mean there is no need to make news that sounds like everyone using drones is guilty of bug using...
Its not to people to make the difference between bug using/game mechanics but to CCP, and in this particular case it seems particularly clear that its CCP mistake to create plexs allowing this sort of use.
There is no reason to blame people as its already a game mechanic to afk farm level 4 doing that. So why should it be bugusing using it in perma pop plexes? (I dont even know what plex you're talking about, but anyway...)

PS : I never done any afk farming with drones, i just felt angry when seeing this news which sounds like pointless.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#523 - 2012-08-14 11:10:42 UTC
ManiakMogg wrote:
So just fix this buggy plexes, and all its done, i mean there is no need to make news that sounds like everyone using drones is guilty of bug using...
Its not to people to make the difference between bug using/game mechanics but to CCP, and in this particular case it seems particularly clear that its CCP mistake to create plexs allowing this sort of use.
There is no reason to blame people as its already a game mechanic to afk farm level 4 doing that. So why should it be bugusing using it in perma pop plexes? (I dont even know what plex you're talking about, but anyway...)

PS : I never done any afk farming with drones, i just felt angry when seeing this news which sounds like pointless.


They are fixing them, but you didn't read clearly, did you?

They also didn't make it sound like everyone using drones is exploiting, but you didn't read clearly did you?

You're correct though about one thing, it *is* up to CCP to make it clear what is a bug/exploit and what is not. And that is precisely what this news item was for.

PS : Feeling angry over something you can't understand is a silly reaction. Next time try to understand the issue before getting all emotionally involved.

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ManiakMogg
Lulzsec Space
#524 - 2012-08-14 11:58:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ManiakMogg
War Kitten wrote:
ManiakMogg wrote:
So just fix this buggy plexes, and all its done, i mean there is no need to make news that sounds like everyone using drones is guilty of bug using...
Its not to people to make the difference between bug using/game mechanics but to CCP, and in this particular case it seems particularly clear that its CCP mistake to create plexs allowing this sort of use.
There is no reason to blame people as its already a game mechanic to afk farm level 4 doing that. So why should it be bugusing using it in perma pop plexes? (I dont even know what plex you're talking about, but anyway...)

PS : I never done any afk farming with drones, i just felt angry when seeing this news which sounds like pointless.


They are fixing them, but you didn't read clearly, did you?

They also didn't make it sound like everyone using drones is exploiting, but you didn't read clearly did you?

You're correct though about one thing, it *is* up to CCP to make it clear what is a bug/exploit and what is not. And that is precisely what this news item was for.

PS : Feeling angry over something you can't understand is a silly reaction. Next time try to understand the issue before getting all emotionally involved.

Its not about the content, its about the form.
Btw, what dont you understand in "sounds like"?
I think you didn't read clearly my post and didnt understood the issue i was pointing. Can you?
What a waste of time.

EDIT : Just a line in a patchnote would have been enough "We fixed the plexs allowing afk farming."
Flaming sreegs is not required. I think he is just good @ pressing button to make ships blow up in AT.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#525 - 2012-08-14 13:06:35 UTC

ManiakMogg wrote:
Btw, what dont you understand in "sounds like"?


I understand that when you read this out loud to yourself....

The News Thingy wrote:

It has come to our attention recently that there are pilots in New Eden engaging in AFK Complex farming. Specific examples of this include such activities as warping into a particular room in a complex, dropping sentry drones, then going to do your laundry or perhaps watch a 24 hour Lazytown marathon. While this activity does not necessitate the use of a 3rd party program in order to carry it out you ARE generating income in an automated fashion while sleeping which is not being present playing the game.


...that it 'sounds like' you heard...

Make Believe Land wrote:

It has come to our attention that people play the game AFK. We are banning AFK activities instead of fixing them. Also, we hate AFK drone users. Quick, run to the forums now and complain because anything beyond the first two lines of text is too hard to read and comprehend, and you're probably very angry anyway and need to tell us all about it. Please try to include all possible forms of AFK activity in your bad analogies because that is exactly what we were talking about.

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ManiakMogg
Lulzsec Space
#526 - 2012-08-14 13:24:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ManiakMogg
ManiakMogg wrote:
Its not about the content, its about the form.

ManiakMogg wrote:
Just a line in a patchnote would have been enough "We fixed the plexs allowing afk farming."

And yes, i should work the form too. I said what i had to say. Now im bored, see ya.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#527 - 2012-08-14 13:42:44 UTC
ManiakMogg wrote:
ManiakMogg wrote:
Its not about the content, its about the form.

ManiakMogg wrote:
Just a line in a patchnote would have been enough "We fixed the plexs allowing afk farming."

And yes, i should work the form too. I said what i had to say. Now im bored, see ya.


I take it you missed this quote from the news item too then, since they hid it near the end after most people gave up on the whole reading thing:

The News Item wrote:

Game Design will also be looking at changing our complex systems so that this is no longer possible in the near future.


If you don't bother to read all the content, how is a different form going to fix anything?

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ManiakMogg
Lulzsec Space
#528 - 2012-08-14 14:04:36 UTC  |  Edited by: ManiakMogg
War Kitten wrote:

The News Item wrote:

Game Design will also be looking at changing our complex systems so that this is no longer possible in the near future.

whut? My english is bad, could you explain it? and wtf would be the link?
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#529 - 2012-08-14 15:08:07 UTC
ManiakMogg wrote:
War Kitten wrote:

The News Item wrote:

Game Design will also be looking at changing our complex systems so that this is no longer possible in the near future.

whut? My english is bad, could you explain it? and wtf would be the link?


The translation: "We are going to fix it soon."

The link: http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1

(It was hidden at the beginning of this thread - how can you be arguing effectively if you have not even read the link that you're arguing about?)

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#530 - 2012-08-14 16:14:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
TheSkeptic wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
"going to do your laundry"? um excuse me.. but putting in a load of laundry doesn't take 23 hours. I have consistantly done my laundry three minutes at a time for years because of mining cycle time.

If the person is going to their bed and sleeping that's a different story but you can drop sentries and sit there with your eyes glued to your monitor and accomplsih the same thing.

I think you are nit-picking here CCP.. If I were you I would be very careful accusing people of being AFK in a game where AFK activity is very much part of the norm, (skill training, contract and market orders, PI, moon mining, sitting in station doing nothing, freighting on autopilot, and to a much lesser degree regular mining.) Sounds to me like you are joining the tin foil hat folks that claim that "afk" is any activity engaged in where you do not toucvh the keyboard regardless of your presence in the seat.

PS BTW.. "afk" cloaking is not an issue. if you are absent you are no threat and cannot do anything, making money or otherwise, in game. I've always said that the cloaking nerf-herders are really all about nerfing the non "afk" cloakers.


If only you didn't AFK your way through the previous 25 pages of this thread.... you might have posted something new and relevant then.


Did you have something to say? 25 pages? I read some but that is not a requirement to post.. as ccp directed me here to make a comment. but if you must know I probably read about 50%, more than you read of my post. ..though I do admit my post was not directed to in even remotely.

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Zapson
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#531 - 2012-08-14 16:22:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Zapson
This goes out to anyone who quotes the following part from CCP Sreegs: "we are going to fix this issue".

The exact quoute would be:

Quote:

Game Design will also be looking at changing our complex systems so that this is no longer possible in the near future


I highly doubt that "Game Design" will really fix this issue or look into it.
Why do I think so? Because time has proven that many core game mechanics considered broken or too old, not up2date, or plain and simply annoying haven't been looked into until now, even though most of the player base agrees that there are certain problems.
Qartie
Goods and services
#532 - 2012-08-15 00:32:34 UTC
Я так понимаю, что ССР делает всё для уменьшения количества подписчиков...
Whar Target
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#533 - 2012-08-15 01:27:46 UTC
Decimat Draconia wrote:
I agree that the COSMOS exploit needs to be fixed, lets just keep it to high sec plexes though.

If you afk plex in 0.0 you run the risk of being scanned down and podded - this is the beauty of NULL.

Oh this is funny. Deep within territory your alliance controls, it's dangerous to afk bot plexes? I doubt it..

You can probably afford to lose a couple domi's a week and still come out ahead, not that you would even lose that many though. You can't tell players they'll be banned for afk'ing high sec plexes while nullbears have alt accounts botting away.
Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
#534 - 2012-08-15 10:21:55 UTC
Itterate on sub par PVE content and introduce better AI (from wh's) into hisec cosmos plexes and possible missions Bear

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Blue Macaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#535 - 2012-08-15 19:31:02 UTC
Sandbox? ô_o
Brokers Clone
#536 - 2012-08-16 14:30:10 UTC
Quote:
Exploit fixes
An exploit has been fixed making the world a better place for all.


Was that so hard?
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#537 - 2012-08-16 15:33:11 UTC
Brokers Clone wrote:
Quote:
Exploit fixes
An exploit has been fixed making the world a better place for all.


Was that so hard?

Was the fix for this issue, or was it something else? And if it was for afk complex farming, what was the fix?

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Marcus Caspius
#538 - 2012-08-21 05:34:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Caspius
It amazes me that the response from CCP is not OMG sorry guys we fukced-up, there's an exploit that WE created and you were clever enough to figure it out.

While I have huge respect for CCP Sreegs & Co and greatly value their work against botting, I think its time that CCP man-up instead of swinging the 'ban-your-@ss' bat every time THEY screw up and it ends up with undesirable effects.

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I work in a Software Product Development Environment and the last thing I do is penalise my users for utilising a feature my developers introduced (whether by design or unintentional) that does not have to desired effect.

So, sorry CCP you gotta HTFU and take ownership of your mistakes.

But ... keep banning bots!

Grammatical error and spelling mistakes are included for your entertainment!
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#539 - 2012-08-21 07:20:39 UTC
Marcus Caspius wrote:
I work in a Software Product Development Environment and the last thing I do is penalise my users for utilising a feature my developers introduced (whether by design or unintentional) that does not have to desired effect.


Guessing you don't write financial software. Probably a good thing.

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Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#540 - 2012-08-21 17:41:42 UTC
Dregol wrote:


The TL;DR of this is there were some creative individuals who were AFKing in complexes 23/7 and generating income whilst not at their computers for extended periods of time. CCP considers this to be an exploit, and will be addressing the problem.

AFKing 23/7 killing respawning rats: exploit
AFK missioning/anoming/freightering: not an exploit


And that is part of the problem. AFK anoms, freightering, mining (ffs, ice mining for real?) and missions are designed to be done while afk. This may be nice for developers who can play this way eve and still develope eve at the same time, it is kinda a boring thing for the rest of us, who would prefer not to play eve at work, but instead play eve after work. Still the game is build around those activities.

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