EVE General Discussion

People quit all the time. They're usually replaced by people joining. The 20k is not "number of people who quit," it's a 20k net decrease in paid Subscriptions.

There's no reason (that I know of) to believe that the normal churn rate of people quitting changed at that time.

So it's pretty safe to say that the 20k lost subs (representing at least $240k a month in lost revenue at $12 USD/sub) were the result of Incarna and the various events surrounding it. Going with 20k, when there's a very strong case for 30k adds to that buffer of safety.

You (and people like you) quitting for reasons unrelated to Incarna would fall under the normal churn rate of unsubs (which, again, there's no reason to believe increased last summer).

I should point out, I don't believe CCP ever intended WiS to become content that developed into what amounted to people standing around fountains dancing and doing various emotes while wearing rediculous carnival gear like you see in other games. Most people with any sense hate that, and I know a number of the players who reject changes to this game are afraid of just such occurences.

It's like a de-evolution of the game environment that would place EVE in the same category of all those other mmos. Nobody wants that, (or at least, I don't think anybody does), and I don't imagine any of the Devs do either. That kind of comic relief that grows stale and old so very quickly isn't really welcome here in my eyes, but I'm fairly certain the Devs made a point of stating "there would be no emotes" a long time ago.

No is a pretty harsh word, but generally I think limited emotes would be a good thing provided they had good animations. Beats the heck out of flying up to a gate camp and seeing some guy doing emote /dance2 on the nose of his Harpy. A wtf moment to be sure, but ultimately game breaking. Really game breaking.

If it were zoned to where specific emotes were available then having some like that would be helpful and even good. A Nighclub in Jita on some station besides 4-4 for example, where players could /dance to their hearts content, and better even if /dance resulted in whatever cultural dance would be expected at that location. i.e: Minmatar Bar definitely isn't going to see the same kind of dances as some nightclub in Jita. More likely it won't see much or any dancing usually.

..never know I guess.

..so much for quick reply..

I'm rambling.

Anyway, just wanted to point out that I don't think WiS was ever intended to take away from the game, but rather to add to it in some small way. Corporate meetings, (maybe a little too Caldari in conception, but so is a corporation), gaming tables, and the like.

Unfortunately, NeX shops and a bunch of other crap got dreamed up along the way and that's not good. Can't remember whether that was players or Devs, but either way, I'm not interested. Whatever might have been done should have been conservative, with respect to all playstyles. It's an addition, not an enitrely new style of gameplay; it shouldn't take away from what is already there, or the seriousness of EVE.

It's an environment, and a setting. Don't bork the hell out of that. Players do enough of that already in some ways; lets not give them more-and more complete-ways to suspend belief for others.

edit: ..just a thought, but it would be nice if emotes were made really simple. Why can't the character just animate out simple emotes that everybody uses and recognizes such as: o/ or :) That would be pretty simple wouldn't it. Just add those animations after they appear in chat when a player is typing in the context of interaction with their avatars.

Like I said, just a thought, but who honestly likes typing /whatever just to get their avatar to do something that is more easily represented in simple text?

You mean the Intergalactic Summit forum?

Thread lock imminent.

There are like 6 people active in the thread. 3 is a significant percentage of the people active in the thread.

And nowhere have I said I don't want WIS. It's just that CCP really only has one more shot at it, blowing it on another room for WASDing will kill the project.

I just made that statement because I remember a number of people who quit not because they agreed with that particular fiasco but because of it. It isn't a fiasco to those who participated and actively 'protested' and then dropped their subs of course; it was a very real event and legitimate protest to them at the time. Not everybody feels the same way about it though, and a lot of people feel it was just a general disruption of gameplay and thus a fiasco.

I never agreed with it then and I don't now. I recognize the reason for the protest and that the players involved were within their rights to be upset at the time, (for various reasons I guess; though I'm still not convinced of the validity of all of them), and certainly within their right to make some protest about it.

I think however, that the way it was carried out and the highly aggressive and defamatory nature of the protest was highly out of context with regard to those rights and they should have managed things in a more civil fashion. Not sure that would have accomplished anything by itself, but the loss of those subscriptions would and did lend weight where the argument itself failed.

The deliberate damage to CCPs reputation was definitely not cool and certainly not conclusively proven, and in fact, was more hearsay and speculation than anything else. None of it can be proven one way or another now and people will believe as they will regardless.

One reason I don't make a lot of personal jokes is because I understand how easy it is for them to be misinterpreted, misunderstood, and/or hurtful or damaging to others or their reputations, and this is only more proof of that in my eyes.

Anyway, it's a moot point and the damage-such as it is-has been done, and to some extent, undone. We are where we are, and only current and future development really matter now. We'll see what we'll see.

A good step forward would be for CCP to enable a basic multi avatar environment as an optional opt in Beta feature.

This could start as simple as being able to invite other characters into your CQ.

This way they could continue to work on it at a slow burn, whilst satisfying Pro-Wis players that something is happening.

Just a suggestion.

Well, the Intergalactic Summit is supposed to be about that, but it's quite uninteresting; I haven't seen a good thread in there in ages... and certainly nothing that could pose for "RP".

Perhaps it would be interesting to use Second Life to set up an EVE avatar
area. I have never tried SL, but my understanding is you can pretty much
create any enviroment that you like. So, somethig set up to look and feel
like EVE for a social spot for those interested in human avatar interaction.

I mean, if CCP isn't going to do it, someone else may as well.

i am so honored
But you stil are not original ,AntiWis people keep coming back with the same words every time.

Besides that ,you seem to think that, i want WIS yesterday
The only thing i want now at this moment , is that Team Avatar is allowed to show of their work

We can troll each other like idiots,but no one here knows what TA was doing
And no one knows if he likes the ideas,TA implemented in that demo

and about my weird keyboard ,English is not my native language ,but you complaining about whining,makes me clear you understand.