Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Where do titans fit in this logic?

And what kills titans? I never said any of these ships were useless. I am merely suggesting taking the complete load off of a single ship and mitigating it between 2 ships.

The cost gap between carriers/dreads & supers is also astounding. You get what you payed for. They don't have to be uniform with everything else in the game. There's nothing stated anywhere that they have to be just slightly better than standard capitals. Historically this hasn't been the case, and there's literally no reason for it to be the case now (other than changing supers for the sake of changing them, in a very negative way)



This imagination theorycrafting thing has it all wrong. Why aren't carriers logistics ships? Why aren't dreads ahacs? Why aren't carriers and dreads the same as RR BS? Why aren't they a drake gang? You're imagining a make-believe situation to promote your ideas of how the game should work. It isn't reality.



There's no established EVE standard for what works against what. It's all situational and can change extremely rapidly. For example, We've been using Rokhs and Huginns against Tengus (who have very small signature sizes). Using your examples, that shouldn't be possible at all.

I've also seen like 50 Tempests Kill 2 Titans. It's worth noting your wrong at this too, further proving your anecdotal evidence to use as factual data is wrong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBgFd5u86j0&feature=player_detailpage#t=90s

Motherships DID get a role change with the rename to supercarriers (see: Dominion). They now are a really awesome tool against capitals/supers/structures, whereas before they were oversized carriers. Fighter Bombers were introduced when they were renamed to supercarriers, they lost triage, they lose clone-vat-bay utilization (not that it matters because it's a useless feature), and they gained a lot of ehp.



You literally have NO idea about capital warfare. In fact, it's worth stating I don't even think you've been in a supercapital before, let alone being in one being shot at. And, to be fair, if you have, you've likely had no idea what was going on (nor do you seem to understand how supers are fit, lol@wyvern having only 20m ehp)

If there's a CCP person who'd like to know how capital and supercapital warfare actually works, they can talk to people on the CSM who know a shitload: Elise Randolph and Dovinian.

A dissenting opinion highlighting the major overbearing issues with your ideas is not trolling, it's accurate dissent. Please don't fit me into a strawman argument because you do not like what I have to say.

It's also worth noting I am speaking as someone who owns a Titan, Supercarrier, several carriers and have done Capital FCing before.

So, you know, I actually have a small idea of what I'm talking about over you.

What are these changes attempting to actually address here?

So far I see you are trying to make a serious buff to carriers when one isn't needed.

To split the roles between 2 capitals.

In the above example, I listed the 'new' thanatos and the 'new' hypnos.

The thanatos would become a logistical platform, losing its combat roles in favor of a logistical platform. The hypnos would be birthed to take on the combat roles the thanatos loses, without inheriting the logistics platform of the thanatos. Imagine it as the thanatos = scimitar, and the hypnos = rrbs.

Its an idea, more than what you have provided for this thread so far. It's a concept to allow for actual capital smart bombs to reach further and destroy drones, as that is a smartbombs purpose. T2 smartbombs will not hit fighter bombers no matter how hard they try.

You can fit two of any capital mod, including remote rep, energy trans, cap rep, and triage. All are 4k m3. So no, you can't carry all those things around.

All carriers have a 10,000m3 Corp Hanger Array for storage of such things. Capital modules are 4,000m3. You can, at most, fit 2 in the cargo hold. That makes swapping unrealistic for switching between "combat or logistic". As it stands, you have two totally different fits for logistics (combat triage, suicide triage) or for combat (combat fit). When you fit for one, you're unsuitably fit for doing the other. That's how carriers work.

Also, refitting is one of the strongest abilities of a carrier. Are you sure you know what you're talking about?

The problem with providing ideas with this thread is assuming we actually think there is a problem in the first place.

Let me be the first to tell you, there are no problems.

Titans and Supercarriers, for the first time ever, have been set up in an ideal balance with other ships in the game. They can't effectively (effective meaning others will do it better) interfere with subcapitals in pretty much most situations.

Carriers and Dreads now serve as a middle ground, able to combat both supers and subcapitals but at the expensive of having extremely limited tank (though for their price their tank is fairly amazing).

There's no new issues that have cropped up. Supercarriers are now not be-all end-all ownmobiles, and neither are Titans. They are used in very specific situations where using them makes the most sense, which is why you will continue to not really see a lot of them dying (protip: people are pretty paranoid with their big shiney ships).

edit: Basically, there's no reason to change for the sake of change. Do us all a favor and Stop promoting that ideology.