Missions & Complexes

was just laughing abt it and i only want to share:
what if this thing happen:

someone that does this, using a drone boat in that static plex, using sentry drones, doesn't go afk, but just fall asleep in front of the pc?

He is using the mechanics, so he's not breaking any rule; he is not afk at all, he is there, just fell over the keyboard (LOL).
He is abusing it you say....LOL how can you decide how much time and what kind of stuff he wants to use, are you god? how can you judje it? do you want us to play like you decide? time to pack up my stuff, and more will follow (like a jewish exodus, i guess, cause your behaviour here reminds me abt the N-a-z-i "do what we want you to do, or die -ban in our case-")
Like someone else stated, we pay for 720 hour of gametime, every month. So i guess that everybody here will agree saying that if there is someone that is using in game mechanics to its finest, and not exploiting the game, because - actually - from my point of view, those who did this, are just playing by the rules within the limits, cause you can't actually know IF (and only IF) they are AFK, let's say, for a drink, or at the phone, for a shower, or (reality to its core) had a friend come by, and, anyway, they are still not breaking any EULA imho nor exploiting but using the game mechanics YOU made, cause they are there, using stuff that can grant them some free-time more than having to constantly hit F1 to 8, so, in the end... how can you seriously tell they are breaking the rules or violating the EULA. Just because they are using (not abusing) what you gave us? You know what a software/mechanic exploit is? something broken in the game that the discoverer can get advantage out of it. There is no exploit in here. Or are you telling us that the sites you made are broken? Well then fix them.

Seriously, this is pathetic. You can't tell us how to play the game the way you want us to play it, nor the time we can spend on it, nor you can tell if a man needs to rest in 24 hours , or 9 or 72 or every 10 seconds.
You can't give someone a Ferrari and tell him "don't go more than 50 km/h, cause i could sht in my pants", get a tampon, the problem is yours. I got a car that can go 370 km/h, i got a free road to run it at it limits, i'm on a racetrack......and i gotta slow down cause you are scared? get out (gently) and let me run. Otherwise, don't give a Ferrari.

I'd like to get this straight.

The issue is people using current game mechanics to make exorbitant amounts of isk endlessly without having to do anything but relog once a week. This issue was seen to be unacceptable and the programming is being worked on to prevent this from further exploitation. So for now until the game mechanics are fixed it will be a bannable offense.

That is reasonable.

What is not reasonable is the snarky and sarcastic attitude. Sreegs you are addressing your customers not you're friends or team mates. A certain level of professionalism is expected when you release news with such strong implications to your customer base. Your ability to communicate in a non-aggressive manner can be the difference between a smooth patching period and a public relations "**** storm" as has been so specifically discriptive of this particular incident.

The news post by Sreegs (current and edited) is alarming to anyone who partakes in any kind of afk isk generating activity because of the sarcastic remarks about doing laundry and watching a marathon of a show. A large portion if not the vast majority of the player base will identify with at least one of those practices. If you do want to be sarcastic useing an imaginary scenerio in the future, please try to be more specific with the "unusual" practice in question. Maybe a 7 day cruise or a weekend get-away in the mountains while continuously generating lots of isk. That sounds more like something i'd be against as well.

Anyone else annoyed that the "fix" for this is going to be large swarms of weak Frigates to screw up drones? Drone ratting is already a horrifically annoying affair without "fixes" trying to keep highsec exploiters from abusing mechanics.

(The most annoying part of drone ratting is not knowing your drones are being pelted from the overview, you have to keep your drone window open and expanded so you can watch HP. If a person could see when drones or fighters under your command are being shot -- say, with a different color or pattern to the targeting icon -- it'd go a long way towards making it not horrible.)

The point is about the mechanics of the game.
They made a game.
The game is made this way.
We are using the game, so, the mechanics, to the maximum, cause the game and the mechanics themselves, let us do that.
We are not cheating, then.
But we are exploiting.
Exploiting:An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or glitches, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1] It is often colloquially abbreviated sploit. Exploits have been classified as a form of cheating;

Are we cheating? No
Are we using a bug at our advantage? No
A glitch? No
Etc.? No

Yo Devs, there's something wrong WITH YOU.

And I'm sure the AFK Dominix "exploit" required you check it every so often, if only to set it up after downtime.

That's really no different than having to jetcan your ice every so often. How often does a fully yield fit ice mining setup require you jetcan ice out?

Just putting this out there, but I'm pretty sure when CCP created their game, they actually intended for it to be played... by people.

Are you playing? No

You're still generating isk while AFK while doing something the game intends you to be active during. That, according to CCP, is an exploit.

It doesn't matter how many overly entitled players with an Isk addiction do it, wrong is wrong.

No, according to CCP, it isn't an exploit to be AFK while mining. They said so.

Read more better. You'll catch on.

My entire “tirade” was based on the idea, that in order to get my message across, I have to start from A and B and teach you the alphabet. Amazingly, not even that worked.

The reason why I wrote that little piece about the bots, was because of how focused you were on the EULA. “It’s doesn’t violate the EULA, so it’s fine. You can’t possible ban somebody for that!” You in-directly acknowledged that there was a problem and suggested a fix, but your main focus was how you can’t tell if somebody was AFK and how this doesn’t violate the EULA. The fact that AFK complex camping is pretty much the same as botting and what kind of effect it can have on other players – those are minor details.

It doesn’t violate the EULA, never mind the rest… not another thought. See, that’s why I called you ignorant. This is probably going to be considered an extreme example, but you don’t seem to understand the easy, simple ones. I’ve also noticed, that you have a hard time understanding simple questions, but I am gonna risk it. Do you know, that in some countries in the Middle East and Africa, stoning to death is a legal punishment for people who have committed adultery? You can join the crowd and throw stones at some defenseless woman, who cheated on her abusive husband. How about that, ah? You think it is ok, because it’s legal? You think the people who participate in this should go free?

And yeah, you said they should change the EULA, which brings another very interesting, and somewhat funny question. And please, put those few brain cells together and give me a reply on that one, cause I bet it will be hilarious! What would have happened if they had done exactly that – change the EULA and then proceed to ban AFK complex farmers? That would have been the right thing to do from a legal point of view, yes? Instead of posting some vague, arrogant message in the news column, the next time you start EVE a window pops up – “The EULA has changed. Please read carefully and indicate that you accept the new terms by clicking Accept”. Everyone has seen the EULA window numerous times. What do 95% of the players do when they see that window – they just scroll to the bottom and click Accept. Hell, I bet that’s what you do! (like secretly, when you are not arguing on the forums )

You know what would have happened in a day or two, after the bans settled? This thread would have been not 20 but 120 pages long and the tears would be dripping from your monitor and falling on your desk. Those poor farmers wouldn’t be happy at all – accounts banned, no refunds (cause they all accepted the EULA without reading), various other morons whining for their “sandbox” and bla, bla, bla... But you - you would be perfectly fine with it because you, as a seller of software, take license agreements VERY SERIOUSLY and you always read the fine print before playing with internet spaceships. Well I believe congratulations are in order, fine sir! You are probably not gonna get caught cheating… I mean, provided that was the way CCP did things. Are we on the same page now?

For dessert – you stated, several times I believe, that CCP can’t be sure if a person is AFK or not. Considering that they have access to all the server side data, that’s just not true - not when it concerns greater periods of time. But for the case in question, you don’t really need an automated bot detector or a CSI team to figure it out, do you? (ok, maybe YOU do). 9 accounts, all registrated to one person, all logged from one IP, online 23/7, all doing the same thing. You think a human can actively play 9 accounts 23/7? Actually, looking back to some of the posts on this thread, I am expecting somebody to jump and say – “Yeah, I do that on regular basis – I double team with my wife”.

“Winning” or driving you off was never my objective. You think I would write one wall of text after another just to “beat you” in a forum war? And you call me a pompous ass?!

And narrow-minded? Well there is an irony overload! I did try to explain to you just how limited your perspective is, you bringing up the EULA again and again. I asked you a number of simple questions, trying to provoke some basic logic and thinking in you – that didn’t work, you didn’t answer a single one. What am I supposed to do next – draw you pictures? Nah, **** that – I don’t think even electroshock therapy is gonna help you. But hey, you know what – that’s your problem. And the really good news is – CCP cares even less than I do. So go ahead and protest this grave injustice as much as you wish. Don’t give up – the future of EVE is in your hands!

P.S. It’s amazing how you skip everything I wrote, even when I directly address and develop scenarios that you brought up. You just go on and on about the same thing like a broken lantern. It’s ok bro, don’t feel bad – I’ve done it too, when I was talking to one of my ex girlfriends. Whatever she said, my reply was – It wasn’t me.