Missions & Complexes

Why doesn't CCP just fix the broken mechanics, instead of threatening their players.

Why don't they just fix their broken mechanics?

But reading is hard. It takes time. And then you have to think about what you read.

Thinking is hard.

It's faster to just get upset and type things, amirite?!

Humor is not appreciated in this thread. You're supposed to pick on CCP for their writing style, not appreciate the humor.

AFK gaming is serious business when it involves spaceships!

Ever wonder why just about every single MMO company makes your character 100% efficient 24 hours a day but then is shocked to find players *cough* "playing" *cough* 24 hours a day.

Old school PnP RPGs would make you find a safe spot and actually rest ... something that made sense, and if kept in MMOs, would have put the casuals and the botters + farmers on a more equal footing.

Oh why was I expecting anything different?! I stand by what I wrote earlier – you and a number of other people in this thread just don’t like to think.

You wanna get serious? I have been serious in most of my posts in this thread – I would try to simplify things, and give examples, and explain as if you are slow or something. And none of that worked! I should have just trolled your ignorant asses and then point and laugh as you swing your torches and pitchforks in vein.

I tried something different with you – I tried to get you to think on your own and realize the core of the problem yourself. I obviously overestimated you. I asked you several simple questions. But instead of giving me some simple answers, you chose to repeat what you have written already, completely missing the main issue. Did you even think about what I asked you? No, I am sorry – of course you didn’t. And here we are, back to where we started – the slow bus.

OK, the slow bus it is… As you pointed out already, it can often be difficult to distinguish between a bot and a player who is being… how did you put it – he is performing things non-interactively. Especially if the player is really dumb… sorry, I got carried away. So let’s imagine for a moment, that CCP allows this method of AFK farming complexes. They might as well openly allow the use of bots. At first, when the mass use of bots becomes legit, there might be a small increase in the number of active subscription. People would be able to afford to pay for numerous accounts with isk. But soon the situation is going to change, as the massive amount of generated ISK brings serious inflation and fucks up the game economy. Long time players will leave and new players are not gonna stick around for long, as it will be very hard for them to compete with the older players (as if it’s not hard enough already).

Eventually, a time will come when more than 50% of the characters you see in EVE will actually be computer controlled. And the % of human players and the overall number of players will be going in only one direction – down. And that is why I asked you earlier about multiplayer games and why online multiplayer games often hold the player’s interest longer than singleplayer games. It is just more interesting to play with other human players. Players can bring life to an otherwise stagnant gameworld, they can create new content themselves, they are better opponents than NPCs and so on. Now you hopefully understand why bots are prohibited in pretty much all online games.

AFK camping complexes is virtually the same as using a bot and it produces the same results. Naturally, CCP prohibits it. And some people just can’t figure out why, since AFK camping doesn’t appear to openly violate the EULA. Those people stop thinking, they forget about common sense or logic.

For the N time – you can not anticipate everything in a massive, player populated universe like EVE. Some people are always looking for loopholes and every now and then they find one. Theese loopholes have to be closed, so the EULA is bound to change periodically. Do you want a written notification 3 months in advance before they do it? Should the exploit be left open and the people utilizing it be left untouched during that time? Oh crap… I forgot – you don’t do well with questions… Well the EULA does say, that CCP reserves the right to change it at any time they deem necessary – so where the **** is the problem? (that one is rhetorical, relax)

And in regards to where the line is drawn for acceptable and unacceptable AFK activities – they did explain exactly what type of behavior is being targeted, didn’t they? And if you read through the earlier pages of this thread, you will find numerous clarifications written by other players and a CCP employee. So much for your statement that you read the whole thing…

P.S. I never claimed AFK farming is explicitly prohibited by the EULA. I live in Europe and here the EULA doesn't mean jack **** (legally anyway). I've never even read the damn thing. But then again, in most cases I am capable of figuring out what is and what isn't acceptable gameplay without extra help.

Dude, what are you smoking?

CCP said nothing in this entire thread about AFK mission running and have made it abundantly clear in the past that they don't approve of botting hence the hundreds (thousands?) of bots they've banned.

Your inability to comprehend the point of this announcement by CCP is staggering, which leads me back to my original question (what are you smoking?), and into my next question (share, please?).

Gee, I thought You were going to make some sense this time. You're entire tirade seems to be based on the idea that I'm in favor of allowing bots or game exploits. Its a great argument except that it overlooks the facts:

1. I haven't EVER argued in favor of bots
2. I haven't even argued in favor of allowing this exploit
3. I explicity stated that changing the EULA was a proper step to take

What I have discussed is the inability to distinguish between certain human bahavior and bot behavior, and the enforcement applied when that behavior is discovered. Let's face it, this exploit haas been available for years, and most likely in use without detection until it got so big that it bacame obvious, or a bot scanner discovered a new behavior and flagged it; a false positive in point of fact, since its not a bot.

The quoted text above suddenly explains quite clearly the lack of understanding about the need for clear rules and a transparent and forgiving exnforcement mechanism, which seems to be the grievance of many "edge" players.

The simple answer is that it is a cultural difference. I live in the United States. We expect the EULA to be the basis of the contract that both sides agree to, otherwise what's the point of having to agree to it. We also expect to be charged with specific crimes, by a known accuser, with evidence to warrant those charges, and provided with the open and adequate means to refute them even BEFORE we are imprisoned. In others words, the ability to receive a fair trial, where it is the state's responsibility to prove a crime has been committed. You on the other hand, live in a region when the citizens accept the fact that the police can imprison them without reason, without charges and without showing any evidence. Thus you accept the fact that defense must take place after the fact, and it is your responsibility to discover what you've been accused of and whyand prove your innocence.

This is an irreconcilable difference in point of view and thus not possible to change with any form of discussion of facts or philosophy about law and safeguards. /discussion

I'm going to point out something that, at least to me, is glaringly obvious. I imagine that in 23 pages someone has pointed it out as well, but I feel that despite that it should be pointed out repeatedly. Logging in for 24 hours is not "way more than a person can." I routinely go through one or two 20+ hour ice mining operations per month, and when I first started playing the game I probably spent roughly 65 out of the first 72 hours logged into the game and playing before it got to the point where I was snoring more than playing.

As a customer there are few things that irritate me more than an arrogant, know-it-all employee trying to tell me what to do without first listening to what I have to say.
So basically, when I saw the FIRST, UNEDITED news item from this guy, It just pissed me off, even though it really didn't change a damn thing about how I play the game.
If somebody like that worked for me, and I saw that kind of behavior, well, they wouldn't be working for me, period.