Missions & Complexes

I can not understand why the players should be responsible for errors of CCP

"Sandbox" didn't mean that the Faction Five were allowed to keep the trillions of ISK worth in LP that they created. "Sandbox" didn't mean that AHARM went unpunished for using tracking disruptors in a way they were never meant to be used. "Sandbox" didn't mean that using 3 FN webs on a jump freighter to effectively paralyze it, making it unable to dock or enter warp, went unpunished. "Sandbox" doesn't mean that you should be allowed to abuse a poorly designed complex in a way that allows you to AFK farm ISK 23/7 with absolutely no action beyond launching sentries, repping them and going to work.

So yes, CCP has always policed the game.

Unfair advantage? I don't see it.
They make money with nearly no effort, but active players can make much more, with less time invested.
Bug? This is not a bug, so there is nothing to report or prohibited to talk about.

Run the numbers. Just because someone made 29B/Month with god knows how many accounts it does not mean it's a lot of money.
The money gained per character versus time of the character online seems pretty pretty bad to me.

And again, this discussion is not primarily about this being a exploit or not, it's about HOW stuff gets treated by CCP.





Inappropiate: EDIT: Holy ****, asked a german lawyer. EULA ain't worth **** in germany lawlawlawlawlawlawl^^

This always has been the solution. Fix those things in EVE that don't work well for game play. Also, pay attention and act on feedback from your testers on the test server.



Cloaking is one of those things that doesn't work well with game play. I feel it has always been overpowered. Feel free to EVEmail me for ideas on solutions.

Adding lazy to ignorant, are we? Please, read my previous post, right here. Number 384. I am very interested in what your response will be.

I have underlined the interesting part in your post. Let's agree on one thing - AFK complex camping doesn't require a regular time investment, other than 30-40 minutes per day, for setting up your characters in the proper rooms.

So let's compare - which player activity, can get you 29 bil per month, with less than 30-40 minutes active playing per day?

Lazy, ignorant, let's get serious. I wouldn't be writing such detailed explanantions that almost anyone can understand if I were lazy. I'd be vaguely refering to language that is very subjective, or doesn't even exist.

To that end: I don't see your point.
Yes bots are prohibited.

This, however, is human behavior, not aided by ANY outside means, mechanical or software. It just happens to be performed non-interactively; but you can't know if it is for certain. The EULA is a CONTRACT that both parties abide by. IT DOES NOT contain language that outlaws this behavior. Please stop being vague and show the EXACT words that you claim do so. And then, if they exist, how they exclude the very similar profit inducing activities such as BP copying, manufacturing, POS operation, etc, ALL of which involve somoe setup, and then doing nothing for perhaps months, until the finished item is delivered. It that's too close to the kind of rgument you like to leave to the lawyers, please keep in mind that this IS A TRIAL of the gamers, with an ill-handled, misunderstood, at best, and seletive and secretive, at worst, judgement process, with an appeal process that has a reputation of being unresponsive.

I don't happen to benefit from this practice, and I actually applaud the creativity of turning the farming into a protection racket, that was profitable, seemingly within the rules, and did not affect those who were mission running. Isn't this the idea of an "open-ended" game? Isn't it what corporations do on a large scale everywhere they can?

And that is the crux of my problem with all of this. At what point is it acceptable or not, how can we be sure we're doing the right thing, and how can we be sure we will be fairly heard on appeal if we are unjustly banned? Shouldn't I be repaid for my banned time if the ruling is overturned? That doesn't sound like its the case. Would you accept that from any other service vendor; I'm sorry your phone didn't work for a month, but we're going to bill you anyway???

I have a programmable mouse I use for hotkeys in almost every game I play. It substitutes mouse buttons for keyclicks; no multiples, no repeat, just simple substituion so I don't have to go to the keyboard. Is that legal in EVE or not?? Show me the language that gives a definitive answer? If the EVE hotkey tab can accept the codes from a gaming keypad does that mean its acceptable and the intended game design, or is it an oversight, or unintended , left-over artifact of the past, that will now be ruled illegal??

If I'm on the wrong path here folks, please everyone jump donw my throat, but until we have concrete, definite answers to how this will handled going forward, I'll continue to pretend I'm the ACLU, and defend against the revocation of previously grants rights without due course or clear "legal" definitions.

Thanks to all for you for your serious interest in the future of the GAME

They are not. CCP is responsible for CCP's errors. The players are responsible for exploiting the situation.

Even if someone forgets to lock their door it is not legal to steal their stuff.

#48Posted: 2012.08.09 12:44
"Why doesn't CCP just change the ******* mission then instead of threatening players? What the **** you assholes (CCP)."

Because that's clearly what I said right?

I'm just big on the whole "nerf passive isk income" Especially when you're undocked and in space doing it through automation.