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Regarding AFK Complex Farming

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Decimat Draconia
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2012-08-09 14:33:16 UTC
Legiolith wrote:
F you CCP Sreegs and F you Richard Desturned and whoever else is behind this or is defending that ******** post.

It's a sandbox. You put in the mechanics and we make the most of them. If a plex is broken, fix it, don't throw bs around that you will ban people for afk'ing while playing this game as 90% of the damn game can be accomplished while beeing afk. INCLUDING SKILL TRAINING, TRADING, MINING etc...

For the record, I dont do this myself and I think it's f'ed up that you can do it. But if you play by the rules, ie. the game mechanics that are not broken, then you should not be banned for it.

So man the f up and change the plex(es?) in question so you can't do it for 23/7 and stop being a-holes and remove that ******** post about banning players for playing by the rules introduced by you. And we will pretend that his never happened and move on...

DO NOT BREAK THIS GAME! I enjoy it. And I am all that matters.

Love,
Legio



I think what Legiolith means is that a stealth change that started killing off the afk ships while they tried this exploit may have been more effective than the dev blog :)
Velarra
#82 - 2012-08-09 14:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Velarra
CCP Sreegs wrote:
The core of the logic that's actually being applied here is that this only applies to fringe cases and anyone engaging in normal gameplay is completely unaffected.

Clearly the news item wasn't clear enough about that so I've had it edited.


Within the context of this ruling, what is normal game play as regards shipping of goods?

Fill up Freighter / Industrial with goods in cargo, set AP route for 50 jumps.

How many of those jumps can be done fully AP'd? How many does a pilot have to be at the keys for?
cheese monkey
Chilil-out
#83 - 2012-08-09 14:36:16 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ghost Frog wrote:
At the risk of escalating this into a shitstorm, I'd like to get clarification about freighters. I have done quite a bit of AFK freighter piloting. In fact, I'm willing to bet the overwhelming majority of EVE players do freighter runs 100% AFK. Will you be ******* with us as well? Because the core of the logic being applied here would seem to fit my situation.


No, the core of the logic that's being attributed to it would :)

The core of the logic that's actually being applied here is that this only applies to fringe cases and anyone engaging in normal gameplay is completely unaffected.

Clearly the news item wasn't clear enough about that so I've had it edited.



Can i just say...

From a business point of view this is the worst idea CCP has ever had!

SANDBOX = SANDBOX

don't advertise SANDBOX if you are then going to start to list the ways we are not allowed to play!!

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Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#84 - 2012-08-09 14:36:43 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:

He isn't talking about missions


Pity, AFK missioners should get whacked with the same thing.

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Aijle Mijleroff
Infernal Laboratory
Infernal Octopus
#85 - 2012-08-09 14:36:49 UTC
So, CCP Sreegs you delete afk PVE
I think you must delete now AFK PVP,
I speak about afk covert ops ships in low security systems which threaten another players
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#86 - 2012-08-09 14:37:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Richard Desturned wrote:
The solution of course is to implement an "raw ISK hold" similar to the ore holds on barges. Once you generate a certain amount of ISK, you have to dock up and refine that raw ISK into ISK.


The solution of this is to stop releasing half assed half made "AWSUM" content a la "Old CCP way".

I know of at least 1 non COSMOS site behaving like this and made quite recently. And COSMOS too was the definition of half assed half made content to begin with.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#87 - 2012-08-09 14:39:39 UTC
Pisov viet wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Pisov viet wrote:

Obviously it's not about belts or static complexs in highsec, as both of these only contains frigates, and the income from these is ridiculous. I'd be surprised if you'd get 10m a day killing every frigates of a static complexs.


Obviously you haven't found the ones that have battleships in them.

Then MAYBE the problem is CCP placing NPC battleships to kill in highsec.

I dont really enjoy reading that CCP starts deciding which way of killing NPCs is allowed and which one isnt.


There are high profit hi sec sites with no battleships too...

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Acid Kanshi
AIFAM
#88 - 2012-08-09 14:40:42 UTC
This is game design flaw not players fault !

If you want apple shaped water, you design the cup to be apple shaped, you will not design a **** shaped cup and start trying to shape the water inside it as apple shape.

What in the f**k.

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CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#89 - 2012-08-09 14:40:56 UTC
Velarra wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
The core of the logic that's actually being applied here is that this only applies to fringe cases and anyone engaging in normal gameplay is completely unaffected.

Clearly the news item wasn't clear enough about that so I've had it edited.


Within the context of this ruling, what is normal game play as regards shipping of goods?

Fill up Freighter / Industrial with goods in cargo, set AP route for 50 jumps.

How many of those jumps can be done fully AP'd? How many does a pilot have to be at the keys for?


Nothing in this news article even remotely hints at anything remotely related to hauling or really any other activity that isn't farming plexes while unattended.

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Damion Rayne
Panoptic
#90 - 2012-08-09 14:41:46 UTC
This is complete and utter BS

ROA
Vrykolakasis
Sparrowhawks Corp
#91 - 2012-08-09 14:42:05 UTC
CCP is making the very obtuse assumption that I require sleep.
Damion Rayne
Panoptic
#92 - 2012-08-09 14:44:30 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Velarra wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
The core of the logic that's actually being applied here is that this only applies to fringe cases and anyone engaging in normal gameplay is completely unaffected.

Clearly the news item wasn't clear enough about that so I've had it edited.


Within the context of this ruling, what is normal game play as regards shipping of goods?

Fill up Freighter / Industrial with goods in cargo, set AP route for 50 jumps.

How many of those jumps can be done fully AP'd? How many does a pilot have to be at the keys for?


Nothing in this news article even remotely hints at anything remotely related to hauling or really any other activity that isn't farming plexes while unattended.


I honestly and whole hardheartedly believe you have NO clue what you're doing. I'm going to go out on a limb here and publicly denounce pretty much everything you say. I run plexes in 0.0 when I was in Test and Dark Rising and you are now effectively telling me that running those plexs with a drone boat, and going afk, is against the rules? I've got NO confidence in you as a Dev Sreegs, None.

ROA
Brokers Clone
#93 - 2012-08-09 14:44:34 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
If you are aware of a way for miners to mine AFK with no third party programs 24 hours a day without being at their machines and managing cargo then I'm all ears.


Enter belt with uuber-tanked ship and some nice shiney drones
Wait
Watch rats spawn
See drones kill rats...
get bounty
Wait
Watch rats spawn
See drones kill rats...
get bounty
Wait
Watch rats spawn
See drones kill rats...
get bounty
Wait
Watch rats spawn
See drones kill rats...
get bounty
etc...etc...etc...
Damion Rayne
Panoptic
#94 - 2012-08-09 14:46:40 UTC
Brokers Clone wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
If you are aware of a way for miners to mine AFK with no third party programs 24 hours a day without being at their machines and managing cargo then I'm all ears.


Enter belt with uuber-tanked ship and some nice shiney drones
Wait
Watch rats spawn
See drones kill rats...
get bounty
Wait
Watch rats spawn
See drones kill rats...
get bounty
Wait
Watch rats spawn
See drones kill rats...
get bounty
Wait
Watch rats spawn
See drones kill rats...
get bounty
etc...etc...etc...


This Sreegs, you obviously don't play the game anymore mate.

ROA
Lucas Quaan
DEMONS OF THE HIDDEN MIST
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#95 - 2012-08-09 14:47:16 UTC
Go Sreegs! \o/
FireT
Venom Pointe Industries
#96 - 2012-08-09 14:48:29 UTC
So this does not apply to afk mining, right? Or will afk mining be punished eventually too?
Just curious.
Lucas Quaan
DEMONS OF THE HIDDEN MIST
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#97 - 2012-08-09 14:48:48 UTC
Damion Rayne wrote:
I run plexes in 0.0 when I was in Test and Dark Rising and you are now effectively telling me that running those plexs with a drone boat, and going afk, is against the rules?

It's not and you are an idiot for thinking so.
Febreeze
Roush 5.0
#98 - 2012-08-09 14:50:20 UTC
This news briefing was not well thought out, easy to misinterrpret and not overly useful. If there is some way to safely afk plex with some drones out and the drones arent being killed off and some how you are safe from PVP there is an issue that should be resolved instead of posting this confusing and aggrevating news brief.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#99 - 2012-08-09 14:50:38 UTC
Reading skill are not at 5 for a lot of posters here.

/me sad....
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#100 - 2012-08-09 14:50:42 UTC
How nice of CCP that they tell their costumers what they can do with their product.

We even got permission to play the sandbox game a little from CCP Screegs.


I would have rather see a more diplomatic text from that new Marketing guy then an ex-Goon.

And no mention about how the the new barges will be monitored with their large ore holds.

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

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