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Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#21 - 2012-08-08 16:51:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Denidil
Razorzee Taranogas wrote:
well i dont think thats a point. Using a hulk for mining and this ship is obselete now for me and not usable cause i mine alone not in gang besides skill points wasted for this ship. Had a cargo bay of 27k m3 in my fit now im utterly screwed because it cannot fulfill any roll as intended through ccp's changes. Petitioned a reimbursement because of capital loss and non usabilityt

They overhauled the whole role of mining ships i dont care about that but i do care to have to adjust to this crap buyin a mackinaw for cargo bay summa 200milj + and rising and prolly never usin the hulk anymore. I thought ccp was so proud of being so flexible with regards to fittings and roles well this one Mining ships they srewed up in my opinion.

regards


the hulk is not obsolete, it is just not suitable for solo mining. it is still the undisputed king of yield - but it sacrifices independence to be that.

and i hope they ban you for wasting their time with petitions. GM Homonia already explained that there will be zero reimbursements.

You can contract all your items and isk to me, and quit the game. Or you can adapt to the new ship roles and sell your hulk and buy a mackinaw.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#22 - 2012-08-08 16:52:05 UTC
Boadicea Wales wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Boadicea Wales wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
There is no specific ice mining ship. You can stick a rig in either A) The mining ship designed to have an incredible tank B) the ship designed to have an incredible hold or C) The ship with an ice cycle bonus but which works best with support.


tale about stating the blddeing obvious lol dude stick to the point and stop being silly no one likes a smart arse.

oh btw your welcome


I just don't see what you are complaining about. You have been freed from the shackles of their only being one choice when mining! Now you get to have a ship that is customized specifically to your particular style and needs.

Other miners see this as a nerf. I see this as a buff. Hallelujah! Free at last!


I am shocked that you FAIL.........to see the point but there again your most probs not a miner just a forum flamer have fun jog on.....


You're right, I don't do much mining anymore, because I've found other things to be more profitable and fun. I still occasionally get the urge to head out into a belt, and of course there are always corp ops that come up, and I am happy to help with those.

I love these new changes. My only complaint is that I can't currently afford one of each of the T2 variants. I'll have to settle for the T1 ones for now.

I'm actually looking forward to doing a little rock munching with a retriever! It'll be just like when I started, only I won't have to jetcan. :)
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-08-08 16:52:27 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
WHAT? You mean you might have to choose between gank and tank? This has never happened before in the history of Eve.


Shield tanked Navy Dominix...
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-08-08 16:55:58 UTC
You owe me 20 IQ points for read this drivel OP.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2012-08-08 16:58:26 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Shield tanked Navy Dominix...
…has sacrificed tank for gank, which is why it's running shields rather than a potentially much sturdier armour tank.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-08-08 17:02:00 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Boadicea Wales wrote:
tale about stating the blddeing obvious lol dude stick to the point and stop being silly no one likes a smart arse.

Spelling. Also, punctuation.

Also,stupid.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-08-08 17:02:23 UTC
can anyone post the mining rig stats...

specifically what size they are, etc

are there small medium and large?

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining and Salvage
#28 - 2012-08-08 17:03:02 UTC
Razorzee Taranogas wrote:
well i dont think thats a point. Using a hulk for mining and this ship is obselete now for me and not usable cause i mine alone not in gang besides skill points wasted for this ship. Had a cargo bay of 27k m3 in my fit now im utterly screwed because it cannot fulfill any roll as intended through ccp's changes. Petitioned a reimbursement because of capital loss and non usabilityt

They overhauled the whole role of mining ships i dont care about that but i do care to have to adjust to this crap buyin a mackinaw for cargo bay summa 200milj + and rising and prolly never usin the hulk anymore. I thought ccp was so proud of being so flexible with regards to fittings and roles well this one Mining ships they srewed up in my opinion.

regards


So you can't jetcan? A fitted Mammoth can carry 28k worth of rock. Jetcan and then haul with the Mammoth. It's like literally 2-3 minutes additional. Sure you run the risk of flippers/thieves but that's the risk. If you don't want to take it then use the Mack - long run, the reduce yield is marginally offset by less travel time (3 trips back to station in a 27k Hulk = 2 trips back to station in the new Mack)
Owain GIyndwr
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-08-08 17:03:23 UTC
Sloppy Podfarts wrote:
Denidil wrote:
Boadicea Wales wrote:
so the hulk is now the new ice mining ship. NOT!

there is no ice mining ship you kind of missed the point


did you even read the ******* patchnotes? ice and mercoxit bonuses are now moved to rigs. hulk is king of yield - in all things.


ownage Shocked


worthless flamer get back under your stone
Yoshitaka Moromuo
Burning Skies
Apocalypse Now.
#30 - 2012-08-08 17:03:49 UTC
OP, your overly argumentative post is irrelevant, for reasons that Tiberious has kindly outlined repeatedly. (Okay, someone save this, I'm agreeing with a toaster sympathizer here... :P)

It's all simple here. Procurer/Skiff has about half the hold of Retriever/Mackinaw, with much better tank. Yield on both is roughly the same. Covetor/Hulk sacrifice more tank and ore hold space for a bit of an edge on yield overall. Rigs allow you to focus whatever barge you wish on ice or mercoxit.

And honestly, the Hulk is still just as tankable as it was. Mackinaws - and even Retrievers - might be able to use an armor tank setup fairly effectively now. Procurers and Skiffs will be able to shield-tank with almost an exact copy of one's normal Hulk tank - possibly a shield boost amplifier as well, with the extra mid.

I fail to see how this is smoke and/or mirrors. I'm a miner, and I see options.

Your Score: 0/10
Razorzee Taranogas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-08-08 17:06:49 UTC
Denidil wrote:
Razorzee Taranogas wrote:
well i dont think thats a point. Using a hulk for mining and this ship is obselete now for me and not usable cause i mine alone not in gang besides skill points wasted for this ship. Had a cargo bay of 27k m3 in my fit now im utterly screwed because it cannot fulfill any roll as intended through ccp's changes. Petitioned a reimbursement because of capital loss and non usabilityt

They overhauled the whole role of mining ships i dont care about that but i do care to have to adjust to this crap buyin a mackinaw for cargo bay summa 200milj + and rising and prolly never usin the hulk anymore. I thought ccp was so proud of being so flexible with regards to fittings and roles well this one Mining ships they srewed up in my opinion.

regards


the hulk is not obsolete, it is just not suitable for solo mining. it is still the undisputed king of yield - but it sacrifices independence to be that.

and i hope they ban you for wasting their time with petitions. GM Homonia already explained that there will be zero reimbursements.

You can contract all your items and isk to me, and quit the game. Or you can adapt to the new ship roles and sell your hulk and buy a mackinaw.


the difference is i pay for this, they get paid . So im wasting their time while they waste mine
Owain GIyndwr
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-08-08 17:08:15 UTC
simply put the op made a post about his own findings on the subject of the lastest patch he has said that he found to produce 4 blocks of ice now takes and extra 40 seconds this is with reduced ice harvesting times and an extra ice mining upgrade .

it all seem simple enough.

The gates to this forum is heavyly guarded by trolls and flamers NONE SHALL PASS Twisted
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#33 - 2012-08-08 17:11:36 UTC
Yoshitaka Moromuo wrote:
OP, your overly argumentative post is irrelevant, for reasons that Tiberious has kindly outlined repeatedly. (Okay, someone save this, I'm agreeing with a toaster sympathizer here... :P)

It's all simple here. Procurer/Skiff has about half the hold of Retriever/Mackinaw, with much better tank. Yield on both is roughly the same. Covetor/Hulk sacrifice more tank and ore hold space for a bit of an edge on yield overall. Rigs allow you to focus whatever barge you wish on ice or mercoxit.

And honestly, the Hulk is still just as tankable as it was. Mackinaws - and even Retrievers - might be able to use an armor tank setup fairly effectively now. Procurers and Skiffs will be able to shield-tank with almost an exact copy of one's normal Hulk tank - possibly a shield boost amplifier as well, with the extra mid.

I fail to see how this is smoke and/or mirrors. I'm a miner, and I see options.

Your Score: 0/10


Hey, we aren't RPing here :( I still <3 you Yoshi(t)

I haven't gotten a chance to play around with specific fittings, but just looking at raw numbers, the Covetor/Hulk basically have remained exactly the same except that people have been freed of the pain of fitting cargo extenders and can now just say "Let's go all out for yield", since that's what its designed for.

If they don't want to use their hulk for yield, and they had it set up for tank or cargohold, they can sell the hulk and instead get into a Skiff (for tanking like a boss) or a Mackinaw (for avoiding jetcan mining). When I mined as a regular thing, I would fit for cargohold so the new Mackinaw is pretty much perfect for me. Now I do corp mining ops mostly, so I can stick with the hulk and fit for pure yield since I will usually have support.

I dont tend to need the tank as much because I avoid ganking in ways that simply dont have me be in the belt when the ganking ships show up, if they ever bother to look for me. Still, its nice to know that the skiff is there as an option, and that I wont be sacrificing too much yield to be using one.
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#34 - 2012-08-08 17:13:11 UTC
Owain GIyndwr wrote:
simply put the op made a post about his own findings on the subject of the lastest patch he has said that he found to produce 4 blocks of ice now takes and extra 40 seconds this is with reduced ice harvesting times and an extra ice mining upgrade .

it all seem simple enough.

The gates to this forum is heavyly guarded by trolls and flamers NONE SHALL PASS Twisted


he the OP made an ignorant post that showed they didn't bother to read the ******* patch notes, and instead came to whine like a little baby on the forums instead.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Razorzee Taranogas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-08-08 17:22:08 UTC
Toroup wrote:
Razorzee Taranogas wrote:
well i dont think thats a point. Using a hulk for mining and this ship is obselete now for me and not usable cause i mine alone not in gang besides skill points wasted for this ship. Had a cargo bay of 27k m3 in my fit now im utterly screwed because it cannot fulfill any roll as intended through ccp's changes. Petitioned a reimbursement because of capital loss and non usabilityt

They overhauled the whole role of mining ships i dont care about that but i do care to have to adjust to this crap buyin a mackinaw for cargo bay summa 200milj + and rising and prolly never usin the hulk anymore. I thought ccp was so proud of being so flexible with regards to fittings and roles well this one Mining ships they srewed up in my opinion.

regards


So you can't jetcan? A fitted Mammoth can carry 28k worth of rock. Jetcan and then haul with the Mammoth. It's like literally 2-3 minutes additional. Sure you run the risk of flippers/thieves but that's the risk. If you don't want to take it then use the Mack - long run, the reduce yield is marginally offset by less travel time (3 trips back to station in a 27k Hulk = 2 trips back to station in the new Mack)


i agree but my point is that you had a choice with each ship how to use it now ccp makes most of the choices for you. You mine solitary you obviously have to choose for the mackinaw of course you still can use jetcans which i not prefer. Although tanks has improved its still paperthin but future will tell. My conclusion is less flexibilty with new system and thats a pity.
Yoshitaka Moromuo
Burning Skies
Apocalypse Now.
#36 - 2012-08-08 17:24:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Yoshitaka Moromuo
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Yoshitaka Moromuo wrote:
OP, your overly argumentative post is irrelevant, for reasons that Tiberious has kindly outlined repeatedly. (Okay, someone save this, I'm agreeing with a toaster sympathizer here... :P)

It's all simple here. Procurer/Skiff has about half the hold of Retriever/Mackinaw, with much better tank. Yield on both is roughly the same. Covetor/Hulk sacrifice more tank and ore hold space for a bit of an edge on yield overall. Rigs allow you to focus whatever barge you wish on ice or mercoxit.

And honestly, the Hulk is still just as tankable as it was. Mackinaws - and even Retrievers - might be able to use an armor tank setup fairly effectively now. Procurers and Skiffs will be able to shield-tank with almost an exact copy of one's normal Hulk tank - possibly a shield boost amplifier as well, with the extra mid.

I fail to see how this is smoke and/or mirrors. I'm a miner, and I see options.

Your Score: 0/10


Hey, we aren't RPing here :( I still <3 you Yoshi(t)

I haven't gotten a chance to play around with specific fittings, but just looking at raw numbers, the Covetor/Hulk basically have remained exactly the same except that people have been freed of the pain of fitting cargo extenders and can now just say "Let's go all out for yield", since that's what its designed for.

If they don't want to use their hulk for yield, and they had it set up for tank or cargohold, they can sell the hulk and instead get into a Skiff (for tanking like a boss) or a Mackinaw (for avoiding jetcan mining). When I mined as a regular thing, I would fit for cargohold so the new Mackinaw is pretty much perfect for me. Now I do corp mining ops mostly, so I can stick with the hulk and fit for pure yield since I will usually have support.

I dont tend to need the tank as much because I avoid ganking in ways that simply dont have me be in the belt when the ganking ships show up, if they ever bother to look for me. Still, its nice to know that the skiff is there as an option, and that I wont be sacrificing too much yield to be using one.

If you want, I can spend the next few weeks running fits through their paces and let you know how each tends to perform. It'd even give me that chance to try out that armor Retriever/Mackinaw. Having that extra low slot adds some potentially interesting utility options.

Also, much platonic <3
Tore Vest
#37 - 2012-08-08 17:33:01 UTC
Hulk ... is still a expensive cruiser... with frig size CPU/Power grid Sad

No troll.
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#38 - 2012-08-08 17:39:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tomcio FromFarAway
Owain GIyndwr wrote:
simply put the op made a post about his own findings on the subject of the lastest patch he has said that he found to produce 4 blocks of ice now takes and extra 40 seconds this is with reduced ice harvesting times and an extra ice mining upgrade .

it all seem simple enough.

The gates to this forum is heavyly guarded by trolls and flamers NONE SHALL PASS Twisted


I love it when people use their OBVIOUS alts to make their poor posting look credible.
Sloppy Podfarts
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-08-08 17:44:39 UTC
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:
Owain GIyndwr wrote:
simply put the op made a post about his own findings on the subject of the lastest patch he has said that he found to produce 4 blocks of ice now takes and extra 40 seconds this is with reduced ice harvesting times and an extra ice mining upgrade .

it all seem simple enough.

The gates to this forum is heavyly guarded by trolls and flamers NONE SHALL PASS Twisted


I love it when people use their OBVIOUS alts to make their poor posting look credible.


burned Straight
Rakeea
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-08-08 18:22:29 UTC
Wonderful patch to boot.