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I read a lot of cargo hold and hitpoints but what is with some basic stuff like targeting range? I can live with the fact that a miner has a range of 15km. But please increase targeting range siginificantly I want to use my good drone skills in an exhumer. The current targeting range of 24km sucks !!!!!!! It's all about defense and did not affect the mining changes.

Crazy thought, but if the Hulk mining cycle yield is based on maxed out fittings, boosts and whatnot, wouldn't fitting for a tank drop the yield below the level of other ships that have a built in tank?

Seems like the Hulk is not meant to be used in high sec anymore since the other ships have more advantages.

Ship Total Hit Points EHP
Hulk 6000 8713
Covetor 4500 5771
Mackinaw 8000 11625
Retriever 6000 7691
Skiff 19625 29091
Procurer 18000 23252

Those are the numbers from the dev blog. What I would like to see instead.

Hulk- 12000 EHP
Covetor- 10000 EHP
Mackinaw- 15000 EHP
Retriever- 11000 EHP
Skiff- 32000 EHP
Procurer- 27000 EHP

wow. totally missed my point. look, i was replying to the constant "OMG YOU NERFED HULK TANK" whines. never said i'd fly the damn thing tanked after the patch. I merely posted the same setup, on both servers, so folks would shut up about how little the EHP of the hulk actually changed.

From the Devblog



Doesn't this mean the ice mining max yield has gone DOWN?

Current max is something like 76 per hour with implants (both for miner and booster), and maxed everything where a mack is in fleet with an orca.

After inferno 1.2, the max would be 73 with a hulk? or doesnt the below figures really mean ALL skills and bonuses perfect?

Seems like CCP really wants miners to be part of the PVP experience. Maybe just as targets, but let's give the devs the benefit of the doubt for a minute.

So, where are the turret and launcher hardpoints? Add a few guns and launchers, so that mining barges and exhumers can shoot back. (Drones are nice, but everyone knows guns and missiles are better). Give the barges/exhumbers a bonus to target locking - ie. zero seconds - so they can lock a ganker faster than a ganker can lock them... just to be fair.

Or, how about adding the special ability to the Hulk to use a doomsday weapon? That would be cool and the ultimate in making miners the new princes of PVP.... lol. Ofc, you'd need to kick the Hulk skill req to Exhumers 5....

Or, perhaps a new module - the Corbomite device. This device would take any incoming damage and instantly reflect it back on a ganker, multiplied ten-fold. Ha, ha, ha.... :)

Yeep you trolling again? I'd still like to hear your motivation for your views on all this as well as your Alliances...

Good luck with the supermodel girlfriend and all that... actually ... have you tried The Sims™? I think they'll have everything your looking for.

Nah, you are looking at it the wrong way. That's using a PVP ship to do other things. Chribba has already done that sort of thing to the nines with his Veldnaught.

CCP apparently wants non-PVP ships to be part of the PVP experience, so I think they need guns/launchers, too, not just tank.

Next, I'd really like to see combat freighters, armed with tons of weapons - and not the silly pinatas we have now. Unarmed haulers just make no sense, when you are supposed to be living in a "harsh and unforgiving universe".

Every ship in Eve should be able to go pew-pew.... :)

The hulk was king of all mining vessels I have been mining in my hulk for 2 years this is an insult to all that have traind to fly a hulk. if thay inplement this i will probly leve the game. I feal robed all the skillpoints invested to being a maxed miner and my alt a maxed orca pilot and roqual pilot.

Sounds like someone is afraid they might have to actually work for a gank and spend some money.


The numbers I've listed don't make mining ships invincible or overpowered. It simply gives miners the chance to actually fit mining modules and still have enough defense to let friends stop a gank.

With the numbers on Sisi the Hulk will still be a gank magnet and I doubt there will be many of them flown in high sec. It makes no sense to fly such a fragile ship even if you do have a fleet. Hulks will be great for places where the rule is shoot first, shoot second, and loot third but that's about it.

Even you must admit that at a base level, CCP does define the roles of all ships; now players can take ships OUT of their role, but all ships have something that you can look at the ship and say "this is what this ship is for"

IE The Hulk is a mining ship . . . CCP decided that, players didnt, but creative players came up with the battle hulk and surprised people with hulks that can fight, but that is taking the ship out of the job it was clearly built to do.

What I dont want, and im sure you dont either is a ship that can ONLY do its pre defined role. IE if a hulk couldnt fit combat drones for whatever reason, or it's bonuses only worked if you were in a fleet that would be an unnecessary restriction.

That being said, I challenge anyone who says that CCP shouldnt tell us what ships are "supposed to do" to describe for me a ship that is a clean slate that doesnt have any bias about what it's "supposed to do" . . .

What would that look like?
it wouldnt have slots because having low slots might indicate its an armor tanker
it wouldnt have bonuses because that defines what it's supposed to do.
it wouldnt have weapons because that might indicate its a combat ship
it wouldnt have a cargo hold because that might indicate that its a transport ship

I have no problem with the more defined "ship lines" as long as they dont make it so those ships can ONLY do those things. Also, I love how everyone seemed to be ok with CCP telling them "the mackinaw is for ice mining" but everyone runs around with their arms flailing when CCP tells them "the hulk is a fleet mining ship"