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The issue isn't ganking...
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YuuKnow
The Scope
#1 - 2012-08-08 00:06:32 UTC  |  Edited by: YuuKnow
The issue isn't ganking... that will be possible even after *any* Exhumer changes. Ganking isn't going away. The issue is: what should it take to successfuly gank? A destroyer? A 100mil isk Bship with arties for alpha? A 400mil faction bship?

For example, what if CCP had made freighters so fragile that a destroyer could gank it solo? That would have been fubar. There needs to be a reconsideration on what should be enough to achieve the gank on miners... the ganks probably won't go away much.

I for one think at least a Tier 3 BC or a Bship should be needed to gank a maxed *mining yield* exhumer. Brings the cost/benefit and risk/reward more in line with other gameplay mechanics.

my 2isk

yk
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#2 - 2012-08-08 00:17:03 UTC
It's all subjective.

John Hancock
Frying Doom
#3 - 2012-08-08 00:18:52 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
The issue isn't ganking... that will be possible even after *any* Exhumer changes. Ganking isn't going away. The issue is: what should it take to successfuly gank? A destroyer? A 100mil isk Bship with arties for alpha? A 400mil faction bship?

For example, what if CCP had made freighters so fragile that a destroyer could gank it solo? That would have been fubar. There needs to be a reconsideration on what should be enough to achieve the gank on miners... the ganks probably won't go away much.

I for one think at least a Tier 3 BC or a Bship should be needed to gank a maxed *mining yield* exhumer. Brings the cost/benefit and risk/reward more in line with other gameplay mechanics.

my 2isk

yk

Frankly I think they balanced them about right, mack is maybe a bit much but its good enough.

If you want Max Yield you should suffer in the ability to tank. its easy, it is risk vs reward. You want more reward you suffer more risk. Personally I think a T2 fitted catalyst should be able to blot you from the sky if you have not spent good money on a tank.
Definitely not a Battleship or Tier 3 BC, if you want that kind of protection you should loose yield.

So NO you can not have your cake and eat it too.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-08-08 00:49:14 UTC
or they could make sec status much more meaningful then it is now. it's to easy for an alt orca to fit a ship you warp to belt and kill a hulk. yea a t3bc or BS should be needed to kill a hulk , but the big thing is those who gank mining ships can do it even with -10 sec rating.
Frying Doom
#5 - 2012-08-08 00:58:41 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
or they could make sec status much more meaningful then it is now. it's to easy for an alt orca to fit a ship you warp to belt and kill a hulk. yea a t3bc or BS should be needed to kill a hulk , but the big thing is those who gank mining ships can do it even with -10 sec rating.

I thought the solution was easy.

DON'T fly a hulk if you are worried about being ganked. Otherwise if you want the reward you should accept the risk.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
YuuKnow
The Scope
#6 - 2012-08-08 01:48:36 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Frankly I think they balanced them about right, mack is maybe a bit much but its good enough.

If you want Max Yield you should suffer in the ability to tank. its easy, it is risk vs reward. You want more reward you suffer more risk. Personally I think a T2 fitted catalyst should be able to blot you from the sky if you have not spent good money on a tank.
Definitely not a Battleship or Tier 3 BC, if you want that kind of protection you should loose yield.

So NO you can not have your cake and eat it too.


Its not about cake.

I would say that a max yield exhumer would need a Tier 3 BC of Bship
A Max Tank exhumer would need 2 to 3 Tier 3 BCs or Bships.

Seems more balanced to me.

yk
Frying Doom
#7 - 2012-08-08 04:52:30 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Frankly I think they balanced them about right, mack is maybe a bit much but its good enough.

If you want Max Yield you should suffer in the ability to tank. its easy, it is risk vs reward. You want more reward you suffer more risk. Personally I think a T2 fitted catalyst should be able to blot you from the sky if you have not spent good money on a tank.
Definitely not a Battleship or Tier 3 BC, if you want that kind of protection you should loose yield.

So NO you can not have your cake and eat it too.


Its not about cake.

I would say that a max yield exhumer would need a Tier 3 BC of Bship
A Max Tank exhumer would need 2 to 3 Tier 3 BCs or Bships.

Seems more balanced to me.

yk

The balance is in your profit margin not in the cost of the ship.

Otherwise if for example the skiff got more popular and subsequently its price rose they would have to increase its tank given its new cost.

You are by flying a hulk actively choosing a lower ehp ship so you can make higher profits. That is your sacrifice, my sacrifice will be to yield so I can squeeze every last ehp out of a skiff and to hell with yield.

We both make sacrifices. I loose yield to make as unprofitable gank as possible, while you have a higher yield or even max yield making you an easier target for ganking. As we are talking about millions of isk a day difference yes that is balanced.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-08-08 05:49:00 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
The issue isn't ganking... that will be possible even after *any* Exhumer changes. Ganking isn't going away. The issue is: what should it take to successfuly gank? A destroyer? A 100mil isk Bship with arties for alpha? A 400mil faction bship?

For example, what if CCP had made freighters so fragile that a destroyer could gank it solo? That would have been fubar. There needs to be a reconsideration on what should be enough to achieve the gank on miners... the ganks probably won't go away much.

I for one think at least a Tier 3 BC or a Bship should be needed to gank a maxed *mining yield* exhumer. Brings the cost/benefit and risk/reward more in line with other gameplay mechanics.

my 2isk

yk


You know that's not changing at all right? The hulk really hasn't changed much and will remain fairly easy to gank at max yield. The hulk will be THE max yield ship - but lack of tank will be the same as always.

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Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-08-08 05:53:04 UTC
cheapest way to avoid losing a ship is to pay attention
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#10 - 2012-08-08 05:53:44 UTC
Funnest way to play though, is not by paying attention.

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