Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I know this sounds like a bad idea to many of you but this thread is about what would happend and not if it should be done or not.

So what if the sentry guns in lowsec would do enough dps actually kill agressors in about 5 seconds. (Except for wardecs, militias, -10.0 sec targets etc)
The stations and gates would be "safe" from everything except suicide ganks. Any belts, midwarp spots, deadspace areas etc would still be fully open for pvp with the loss of sec status ofc.

What would happend to lowsec and would you live there?

That place isnt lowsec, its npc 0.0.

Lethal lowsec gates would make travellers and traders safe-ish while the ones who wants to take a risk can do missions etc with the risk of people jumping you.
Lowsec by design is supposed to be extended highsec with a risk somewhere between high and null, it definitely shouldn't be just like null but without bubbles.

With this roaming gangs would die, gatecamping would die but it would open up a new world of war decs, risk filled pve/mining, ganking and many more potential uses instead of a empty lowsec.
All those features are still available in nullsec and should be kept there.

Personally I think it would ruin lowsec. There would be no way to catch people. So many people already just warp out of system as soon as someone enters. Sentry guns already do alot of damage as is, and I do not think it really needs fixing. You would not believe how many people hump a station trying to stay safe or use gateguns as their backup.
If you are safe at a station or a gate then people would literally just wander through lowsec systems looking for empty systems then rat happily away and run from system at the first sign of trouble.
Ways to make lowsec better? fix exploits like the MWD+cloak warp offs and make cynos have a timer so groups like purple helmets with half a dozen titans cant sit in a POS and hotdrop every lone ship in the area.
We want more pvp opportunities with less nullsec nonsense not carebear space.
I would leave lowsec and since I'm already bored of everything else would likely quit eve.

I think it's a great leap forward in principle, but 5 seconds is a bit steep. Even CONCORD is not that fast in most systems. I would aim more for around 30 seconds, so you can be attacked but prolonged fights and camps are imposible. However long it takes though, the security forces of lowsec should absolutely be able to make their zone secure, not like the current system which is basically just a ban on frigates and balanced engagements

Yes a some of the current lowsec dwellers would move but the population would increase, that i am sure of.

Problem with low sec space is lack of security, you can't have carebering, specially not capital intensive cearbering such as Hulks, Rattlesnakes, Nightmares and Machariels , without security to protect that invested capital.

Now both high sec and low sec have such protective mechanisms, in high sec this is concord, in 0.0 space this is big alliances with their fleets, bobbled gates and intel channels and so on. Low sec has nothing like that, just handful of guns an that is all, so it is mostly deserted because making big profit in it (with exception of cloaked explorer ships that are too hard to catch) is very hard.

Now one possibility of correcting this would be making low sec so profitable for rating and mining that they become as good as, or better then, deep 0.0. Then we would see big alliances moving in to secure that space for their members to exploit. This is player driven solution. Other possibility is game mechanics driven solutions like OP proposed beefing up gate guns to make travel more safe.

Each approach has it's advantages and drawbacks. Attracting big alliances as a player derived solution has advantage of enhancing sandbox, but I dislike big alliances because they tend to be elitist, cliquish and unfriendly unless you are their pet or renter (respect for those few entities like CVA that are exception to this rule).

OP solution to this problem has advantage of being more inclusive, helping independent people and small corps too, but it is not player driven solution, and player driven solutions are preferable in sandbox game.

Previously I have made some proposals that had a goal of opening low and 0.0 space for small entities. Those were both game rules driven solutions, and player driven solution (witch I prefer) of player working as concord sheriffs policing low sec and hopefully making it more inhabitable thro their gameplay.

0.0 is supposed to be player driven, i agree with you there. Highsec is supposed to be mechanics driven so everyone can do whatever they want.

Lowsec on the other hand needs to be somewhere in between, it needs protection for the lone pilots and the members smaller corps needs to be able to act solo because they dont have enough people around all the time. The biggest problem for a lone pilot is intel, you cant jump blind anywhere without protection or cloak. Once you are in a system you can start doing things that have a risk attached but its not just a big random event like jumping into gate camps.

CCP wants there to be more in low sec. I want there to be more in low sec. Hell, if I could do my own thing in low sec I would be in low sec right now.

The problem is that low sec, as it exists right now, doesn't let me. So, I generally avoid the place. I think that both stronger and weaker NPC defenses would change things. Those changes may well give me a chance to do my own thing.

One thing I do know is that the way you support piracy isn't the removal of defenive stratagems, but increasing the quality and range of prey available. Why are Caribbean Pirates remembered and East Indian Pirates forgotten? Because the Caribbean Pirates had the phat loots. They had the big paydays with the Treasure Fleets, and those paydays spawned a much larger, more complex, and more comprehensive network of prates.

Eve needs to make is plausible for miners, carebears, and all manner of high sec fauna to get into and out of low sec with a much stronger sense of security than they have today. That way, and only that way, piracy in low sec will prosper. Even if it is undescribably different than the environment is like today.

Furthermore, it shows there are a number of people who are willing to go into lowsec. The risk needs to be mitigated.

On a side note, CSM takes the traditional stance of ignore the risk and just tweak the rewards:

It seems like you missed CSM minutes and all hell that broke on forum regarding few lines CCP Greyscale said about sentry guns. You should read it, good fun :)