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Incarna/WiS Disappointment

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Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#681 - 2012-08-02 21:39:09 UTC
Social areas, for the love of veldspar release some already! Surely the suits
realize that there's no point releasing vanity items without a venue to truely
use them? Right?

Releasing more vanity items to the NEX to gage the popularity of the items
without social areas(which would no doubt dramatically increase the deemand)
almost feels like the experiment is being set up to fail from the start.

Did you guys really srew up the tech that bad, that the common areas which
most likely are already finished just can't be used? Did you fall into the trap of
believing you could make a better in house 3d engine then any of the off the
self ones that are on the market today? How's that going for you?

LOl, what a mess. I suppose I really have to decide if I want to pay for something
I'm not going to get. When I came back some 2 years ago, it was in anticipation of
Incarna, the piece of the puzzle I thought was missing from the EVE universe. I was
shocked and disappointed like so many with what we got, or didn't get. However,
unlike so many at the time I didn't rage and unsub never to return, I got the inpression
that everything was close to ready so I stuck around in the hopes my money would
help.

I feel cheated. Heh, but it is EVE however, even the management is in on scamming
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#682 - 2012-08-02 21:49:24 UTC
Well, i finished reading the CSM minutes about Incarna. Cool

Those who haven't read them yet, should go and read them. Just don't expect to learn anything you didn't knew already.

Point 1: the dungeon raiding prototype that just got gagged
Point 2: the release of NEx clothing items that went live in TQ a month ago.

End of the Incarna meeting minutes.

Aren't we FUBAR? Lol

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#683 - 2012-08-02 21:50:22 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
Social areas, for the love of veldspar release some already! Surely the suits
realize that there's no point releasing vanity items without a venue to truely
use them? Right?



sorry to say but they don't.

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Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#684 - 2012-08-02 21:59:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Soulpirate
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Well, i finished reading the CSM minutes about Incarna. Cool

Those who haven't read them yet, should go and read them. Just don't expect to learn anything you didn't knew already.

Point 1: the dungeon raiding prototype that just got gagged
Point 2: the release of NEx clothing items that went live in TQ a month ago.

End of the Incarna meeting minutes.

Aren't we FUBAR? Lol

You forgot to mention what happens when someone brings up adding social
areas.
Quote:
Alekseyev Karrde (via Lync): Would like to see station establishments with war rooms and poker tables first as a stepping stone. Players need to have confidence in CCP’s ability to deliver WiS content before such an ambitious feature is launched. Otherwise buy-in will not happen.

And with that the CSM concluded that this prototype was a pleasant surprise and thanked CCP Bayesian as he had to leave at this point.


"Social areas? Oh look at the time! gtg."

or

"The prototype was a nice suprise, lets just leave it at that for a few years. Oh, and certainly
lets not show it to anyone."
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#685 - 2012-08-02 22:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Soulpirate wrote:
Social areas, for the love of veldspar release some already! Surely the suits
realize that there's no point releasing vanity items without a venue to truely
use them? Right?

Releasing more vanity items to the NEX to gage the popularity of the items
without social areas(which would no doubt dramatically increase the deemand)
almost feels like the experiment is being set up to fail from the start.

Did you guys really srew up the tech that bad, that the common areas which
most likely are already finished just can't be used? Did you fall into the trap of
believing you could make a better in house 3d engine then any of the off the
self ones that are on the market today? How's that going for you?

LOl, what a mess. I suppose I really have to decide if I want to pay for something
I'm not going to get. When I came back some 2 years ago, it was in anticipation of
Incarna, the piece of the puzzle I thought was missing from the EVE universe. I was
shocked and disappointed like so many with what we got, or didn't get. However,
unlike so many at the time I didn't rage and unsub never to return, I got the inpression
that everything was close to ready so I stuck around in the hopes my money would
help.

I feel cheated. Heh, but it is EVE however, even the management is in on scamming


Don't worry, CCP knows that we will not riot and go shooting statues and burden them with bad press and a PR nightmare. We will just pass away, slowly melting down like snow pockets in spring, until they see a barren field of rocks in what used to be a feast of white.

Then the marketing guys will grow even more nervous and we will get more 3x2 and 2x1 and 3x1 offers if we resub.

And CCP will find out that it's hard to fidelyze customers by telling them that you will not deliver and will not even TALK about what they want to buy from you. Roll

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#686 - 2012-08-02 22:03:20 UTC
There is always the possibility that it was decided to release the social areas, delaying the exploration content, and thats why the exploration content blog got blocked.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#687 - 2012-08-02 22:13:04 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
There is always the possibility that it was decided to release the social areas, delaying the exploration content, and thats why the exploration content blog got blocked.


i love how you think, but in this fugly universe the people who thinks like me are mostly right most of the time.

Just wait to see what happens to EVE next year, when the Goons will be gone.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#688 - 2012-08-02 22:17:55 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
There is always the possibility that it was decided to release the social areas, delaying the exploration content, and thats why the exploration content blog got blocked.


i love how you think, but in this fugly universe the people who thinks like me are mostly right most of the time.

Just wait to see what happens to EVE next year, when the Goons will be gone.

Where are the goons going and why would they leave? Based on their past actions I see so much more people of the mind of the goons would do......

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Irya Boone
The Scope
#689 - 2012-08-02 22:29:11 UTC
Really .. just stop playing around and play us for fools ... you juset don't want to do it .. just say it it will be ok .. but just be honest for God and ( Bob ) Sake!!!Cry


disappointment ...extreme

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB

Aooz
Doomheim
#690 - 2012-08-02 22:52:43 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
Really .. just stop playing around and play us for fools ... you juset don't want to do it .. just say it it will be ok .. but just be honest for God and ( Bob ) Sake!!!Cry


disappointment ...extreme



Welcome to my hell circa 2007/8

Honestly, do not wait around for them to do this. This time they're just barely even trying to keep you strung along, it's painfully obvious they have no plans to actually produce it.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#691 - 2012-08-02 22:56:09 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Well, i finished reading the CSM minutes about Incarna. Cool

Those who haven't read them yet, should go and read them. Just don't expect to learn anything you didn't knew already.

Point 1: the dungeon raiding prototype that just got gagged
Point 2: the release of NEx clothing items that went live in TQ a month ago.

End of the Incarna meeting minutes.

Aren't we FUBAR? Lol

You forgot to mention what happens when someone brings up adding social
areas.
Quote:
Alekseyev Karrde (via Lync): Would like to see station establishments with war rooms and poker tables first as a stepping stone. Players need to have confidence in CCP’s ability to deliver WiS content before such an ambitious feature is launched. Otherwise buy-in will not happen.

And with that the CSM concluded that this prototype was a pleasant surprise and thanked CCP Bayesian as he had to leave at this point.


"Social areas? Oh look at the time! gtg."

or

"The prototype was a nice suprise, lets just leave it at that for a few years. Oh, and certainly
lets not show it to anyone."


I had hoped for more encouraging news about ambulation. Sad

Issler
Jonas Xiamon
#692 - 2012-08-03 00:16:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonas Xiamon
Issler Dainze wrote:
I had hoped for more encouraging news about ambulation. Sad

Issler


Welp, you may have my vote.

I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid.

Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#693 - 2012-08-03 00:38:40 UTC
Aooz wrote:
Irya Boone wrote:
Really .. just stop playing around and play us for fools ... you juset don't want to do it .. just say it it will be ok .. but just be honest for God and ( Bob ) Sake!!!Cry


disappointment ...extreme



Welcome to my hell circa 2007/8

Honestly, do not wait around for them to do this. This time they're just barely even trying to keep you strung along, it's painfully obvious they have no plans to actually produce it.


Or you are a ccp undercover or you talking bullshit. I think i go for the last option....
Siyis Rholh
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#694 - 2012-08-03 01:30:28 UTC
Was so happy when it seemed a few weeks back reading this thread that I'd managed to time a resub to a release of something tangible on WiS and now it's all just flushed down the toilet and we can't even be told why?

The word is quickly becoming overused in this thread but... bullshit. Especially the end of the CSM minutes.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#695 - 2012-08-03 04:37:31 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
CCP Phantom wrote:

There is also something else to consider: Besides the general slowdown because of summer vacation we are preparing for Inferno 1.2 and that means a high priority for messaging all the really amazing upcoming changes (Technetium changes, Mining barges, continued work on the V3 shaders, revamped tutorial, little and incredible useful things like improved fitting savings and a lot more).


we know the dev blog has been finished for MONTHS

why do you hate us ;_;

sadly CCP hasn't figured out yet that only 3000 players quit publicly over incarna. but they lost 30,000 subs overall. Those people who went without saying anything went because they WANT walking in stations, and they won't come back until you at least show that you have a goal and gameplay and work done.

You've totally missed the point of why your subs dropped. Dust is going to add a lot to eve and maybe even a nice infulx of players. But don't be surprised when the 70% of eve that plays in high sec starts to realize that CQ, a huge part of the game is never going to grow. and you're still pushing Aur for clothes. NO ONE WILL BUY THEM IF YOU CANT SHOW THEM OFF. but this seems lost on you.

CCP my faith in you guys is wavering. I knew you were going to focus back on FiS, in fact I pushed you to do so as well. But by the time of winters release it's going to be 3 expansions *18 months* of just FiS features. And it doesn't seem like your going to come through on your promise you made back when I got to play WiS at fanfest.

Something tells me you're never going to release establishments. You are working on eve yes, but now you're losing track again. FIX NULL SEC FIX POS. Why are working on this stupid contract system? Null sec needs your love. Once that's done GET BACK TO WALKING IN STATION LIKE YOU PROMISED. Fix FiS and then get right back on track! Dust and eve needs to share the same bars. make it happen CCP, and you'll have 10 million players easily. mostly from dust, but I'll be able to make money off dust players in eve by setting up a bar. in fact don't let dust players rent space in stations. When there is 200 dust players for each eve player it will set up this awesome social situation.

You'll have the ultimate sand box.

TL;DR

you shouldn't of released incarna untill it was ready, releasing a cash shop for a single player game is DUMB. FiS deserves you're attention, but now it's like you're not even working on it *why wouldn't you fix pos for winter? WHY WHY!*

Fix FiS and then get back to growing eve. Keep releasing dev blogs on WiS, we need to know your not going to abandon yet another feature.

That's why you lost players. because FW, ship balance, sov warfare, and so on and so on were left behind. Don't leave WiS behind too. that's exacttly why people got mad in the 1st place. Greed is bad, make Walking in stations based off of isk. cash shop only for extras, release more free clothes! Give us back our minmatar gas masks! our gallente head head. Our ammar hood visors, our caldari head implants.

Come on CCP! How are you missing the point so badly?!?!?!

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Pipa Porto
#696 - 2012-08-03 05:13:43 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
sadly CCP hasn't figured out yet that only 3000 players quit publicly over incarna. but they lost 30,000 subs overall. Those people who went without saying anything went because they WANT walking in stations, and they won't come back until you at least show that you have a goal and gameplay and work done.


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Ghazu
#697 - 2012-08-03 05:39:06 UTC
hey guys you want some cheese with all that whine?
TA is working on wis, nothing has changed except for the delay of the devblog.
I don't know what the big deal is, don't tell me you've never dealt with arbitrary "corporate" or "management" crap because "it's just how things work" IRL.

They could just put out something quick and dirty, like a useless room where dressed up avatars can emote each other, but fortunately that is not the CCP way. I imagine when it is released with good content and gameplay, we will all be shocked and awed like when we first started playing EVE, at least that is what I've come to expect from CCP.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

Aooz
Doomheim
#698 - 2012-08-03 06:05:41 UTC
Ghazu wrote:

They could just put out something quick and dirty, like a useless room ... but fortunately that is not the CCP way.


Straight
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#699 - 2012-08-03 06:21:21 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
hey guys you want some cheese with all that whine?
TA is working on wis, nothing has changed except for the delay of the devblog.
I don't know what the big deal is, don't tell me you've never dealt with arbitrary "corporate" or "management" crap because "it's just how things work" IRL.

They could just put out something quick and dirty, like a useless room where dressed up avatars can emote each other, but fortunately that is not the CCP way. I imagine when it is released with good content and gameplay, we will all be shocked and awed like when we first started playing EVE, at least that is what I've come to expect from CCP.


Team Avatar is a scam! No disrespect guys, but it's clear now that it's just a
smoke screen. If it was a true team, we wouldn't be looking at a couple of
years before we see any results. It's just smoke and mirror bull ****.

I'm sorry, but shock and awed? When EVE was first released? Never happened.
What was resleased was a mear 1/1000th of what we have today and I dont see
why Incarna should be any different. Release segments as they are ready, a CQ
as we have it, done, next, a promenade with shops "for lease", next a few of those
shops leased, etc etc etc.

Saying that WiS shouldn't be released "untill it is finished" is as rediculous as saying
dont release FiS "untill ship balance is finished" Niether will ever be "finished"

This is an ever expanding and evolving game no one part will ever be "finished"
at least that's what I hope.


Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#700 - 2012-08-03 06:38:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Ghazu wrote:
hey guys you want some cheese with all that whine?
TA is working on wis, nothing has changed except for the delay of the devblog.
I don't know what the big deal is, don't tell me you've never dealt with arbitrary "corporate" or "management" crap because "it's just how things work" IRL.

They could just put out something quick and dirty, like a useless room where dressed up avatars can emote each other, but fortunately that is not the CCP way. I imagine when it is released with good content and gameplay, we will all be shocked and awed like when we first started playing EVE, at least that is what I've come to expect from CCP.


^^THIS. I mean the point is, they DID just put out a dirty useless room. It was crap. The players saw right throught it. CCP learned a lesson, and seems hellbent on NOT making this same mistake twice. EVE players are demanding. We expect meaningful interaction, not simply an emote platform. From what we saw at the summit this is very much the goal, even if it means later rather than sooner. If they put out establishments too hastily, and fall short of expectations like they did with Incarna, I kinda feel its game over. They'll never invest money in it again after that. CCP is probably going to play their cards close to their chest for a while and feel free to experiment a little until they find that intersection between meaningful and achievable.

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