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Bent Barrel
#201 - 2012-07-31 21:21:37 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Bent Barrel wrote:
how about removeing killmails completely ? CCP will get less work (like endless additions and tweaks) and we'll get rid of killmail whores ...

Seriously, get out. This game would be nothing if it was not for the stories. Guess what helps tell the stories? Kill mails reports.


youtube videos ? much better than killmails....

also sov changes tell a much better story ... honestly what makes a lowsec killmail whore special ? nothing ...

the best proof is all those ganks where people hold the victim long enough for people to arrive to get a spot on the killmail ... how usefull is that ?

2005 style killmails were enough ...
Markarian Aurelius
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#202 - 2012-07-31 21:42:31 UTC
This is fantastic news. Can we also remove the ability to self destruct inside of POS shields?
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#203 - 2012-07-31 21:46:03 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:

True, just gunslinger troll dont understand anything from this changes.
After this changes the SD function will be an useless feature which is nonsense and loot drops from a ship a fail when a player destruct his ship and his modules because he dont want to give them to enemy hands.



I do believe I gave very clear examples of where self destructing is still a useful action. I even said I personally wouldn't mind if loot DIDN'T drop.

So I don't know why you're screaming that I'm a troll. Had to self destruct one too many capitals, have you? Don't want the rest of EVE to know you lost a ship because of an embarrassing lolfit or something?


Your logic is bullsh*t and you gave a crap example.
Man if the pilot use explosives to self destruct his ship and modules you just get wrecks and exploded!!! items.
Do you understand this with your childish logic ? That's why using self destruct someone, because he dont want to give his ship and technologies to enemy.
Without this feature the SD is useless and nonsense.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#204 - 2012-07-31 22:39:53 UTC
Someone told me tht when you eject while under 25%hull left, it will generate a killmail now.
Did not happen to me today.

A mate and me killed a cane, who ejected. I saw that he got negativ hull and he exploded. We got the loot, but no killmail.

Youtube Channel about Micro and Small scale PvP with commentary: Fleet Commentary by l0rd carlos
Katalci
Kismesis
#205 - 2012-08-01 03:31:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Katalci
G0hme wrote:
Thats a load of bull, nobody want the mods of your T2 fit Carrier anyway. Assuming that people SD to keep a few modules from falling into the enemies hands is why they do it is ridiculos and naive. Its to not have it show up and the killboard and nothing else! You can't vapourize a ship.

Supercapitals are usually t2-fit c/d

l0rd carlos wrote:
Someone told me tht when you eject while under 25%hull left, it will generate a killmail now.
Did not happen to me today.

A mate and me killed a cane, who ejected. I saw that he got negativ hull and he exploded. We got the loot, but no killmail.

This will never matter ever unless you have cripple levels of DPS.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#206 - 2012-08-01 06:24:39 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
Ribikoka wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:

True, just gunslinger troll dont understand anything from this changes.
After this changes the SD function will be an useless feature which is nonsense and loot drops from a ship a fail when a player destruct his ship and his modules because he dont want to give them to enemy hands.



I do believe I gave very clear examples of where self destructing is still a useful action. I even said I personally wouldn't mind if loot DIDN'T drop.

So I don't know why you're screaming that I'm a troll. Had to self destruct one too many capitals, have you? Don't want the rest of EVE to know you lost a ship because of an embarrassing lolfit or something?


Your logic is bullsh*t and you gave a crap example.
Man if the pilot use explosives to self destruct his ship and modules you just get wrecks and exploded!!! items.
Do you understand this with your childish logic ? That's why using self destruct someone, because he dont want to give his ship and technologies to enemy.
Without this feature the SD is useless and nonsense.


It would help if you read posts before screaming that what I'm saying is bs, or that I'm a troll, or whatever else. I gave a handful of examples - beyond denying loot - of where self destructing is a useful, if not flat out necessary, game mechanic.

Since you've worked yourself up into an insane little rage and seem incapable of reading posts, I'll repeat them: Stuck in a wormhole? Self destruct to get out. Someone pointed you and threatening to hold you indefinitely unless you pay a ransom? Self destruct. On the other side of the universe and want to quickly get somewhere else? Self destruct.

I also urge you to self destruct all your ships before this change goes live, this is your last chance to hide your failfits and dumb choices from the rest of the universe.
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#207 - 2012-08-01 09:11:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:

True, just gunslinger troll dont understand anything from this changes.
After this changes the SD function will be an useless feature which is nonsense and loot drops from a ship a fail when a player destruct his ship and his modules because he dont want to give them to enemy hands.



I do believe I gave very clear examples of where self destructing is still a useful action. I even said I personally wouldn't mind if loot DIDN'T drop.

So I don't know why you're screaming that I'm a troll. Had to self destruct one too many capitals, have you? Don't want the rest of EVE to know you lost a ship because of an embarrassing lolfit or something?


Your logic is bullsh*t and you gave a crap example.
Man if the pilot use explosives to self destruct his ship and modules you just get wrecks and exploded!!! items.
Do you understand this with your childish logic ? That's why using self destruct someone, because he dont want to give his ship and technologies to enemy.
Without this feature the SD is useless and nonsense.


It would help if you read posts before screaming that what I'm saying is bs, or that I'm a troll, or whatever else. I gave a handful of examples - beyond denying loot - of where self destructing is a useful, if not flat out necessary, game mechanic.

Since you've worked yourself up into an insane little rage and seem incapable of reading posts, I'll repeat them: Stuck in a wormhole? Self destruct to get out. Someone pointed you and threatening to hold you indefinitely unless you pay a ransom? Self destruct. On the other side of the universe and want to quickly get somewhere else? Self destruct.

I also urge you to self destruct all your ships before this change goes live, this is your last chance to hide your failfits and dumb choices from the rest of the universe.


If would help if you trying to use your brain.
Yes you are a troll without logical thinking. Maybe you never could to bring to fight enough firepower to sink enemy ships and crying to CCP when you cant get killmails. YOU SHOULD TRY TO USE NOT CIVILIAN GUNS YOU NOOB!!! And another thing self destruct a pod not equal with self destruct a ship after when someone agressed your ship. Maybe equal for you without brain but not for other else.

The SD is nonsense after this patch when someone aggressed you. Why use anyone when the ship will drop loots and wont give to no one any advance. Other one, why will drop loots, when a player exploding his modules/ships, designedly annihilate his stuffs.
When someone exploding his combat tools that will be undamaged ??? LOL

Maybe you used failfit, your unlogical thinking show to us your answer, but the real pilots, (not you noob) dont want to give to enemy his very expensive modules, that's why they exploding their ships, because they know they will lost their ship.

Thats why the military why destroying their high technologies,when no chance to survive because they dont want to give their stuffs to enemy.

So, the loot drop after selfdestructing it's a fail.
The killmail it's fine if the killmail info includes the self destructing at
involved parties and the exploded ship HP what the ship owner destroyed.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#208 - 2012-08-01 10:07:42 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:

True, just gunslinger troll dont understand anything from this changes.
After this changes the SD function will be an useless feature which is nonsense and loot drops from a ship a fail when a player destruct his ship and his modules because he dont want to give them to enemy hands.



I do believe I gave very clear examples of where self destructing is still a useful action. I even said I personally wouldn't mind if loot DIDN'T drop.

So I don't know why you're screaming that I'm a troll. Had to self destruct one too many capitals, have you? Don't want the rest of EVE to know you lost a ship because of an embarrassing lolfit or something?


Your logic is bullsh*t and you gave a crap example.
Man if the pilot use explosives to self destruct his ship and modules you just get wrecks and exploded!!! items.
Do you understand this with your childish logic ? That's why using self destruct someone, because he dont want to give his ship and technologies to enemy.
Without this feature the SD is useless and nonsense.


It would help if you read posts before screaming that what I'm saying is bs, or that I'm a troll, or whatever else. I gave a handful of examples - beyond denying loot - of where self destructing is a useful, if not flat out necessary, game mechanic.

Since you've worked yourself up into an insane little rage and seem incapable of reading posts, I'll repeat them: Stuck in a wormhole? Self destruct to get out. Someone pointed you and threatening to hold you indefinitely unless you pay a ransom? Self destruct. On the other side of the universe and want to quickly get somewhere else? Self destruct.

I also urge you to self destruct all your ships before this change goes live, this is your last chance to hide your failfits and dumb choices from the rest of the universe.


If would help if you trying to use your brain.
Yes you are a troll without logical thinking. Maybe you never could to bring to fight enough firepower to sink enemy ships and crying to CCP when you cant get killmails. YOU SHOULD TRY TO USE NOT CIVILIAN GUNS YOU NOOB!!! And another thing self destruct a pod not equal with self destruct a ship after when someone agressed your ship. Maybe equal for you without brain but not for other else.

The SD is nonsense after this patch when someone aggressed you. Why use anyone when the ship will drop loots and wont give to no one any advance. Other one, why will drop loots, when a player exploding his modules/ships, designedly annihilate his stuffs.
When someone exploding his combat tools that will be undamaged ??? LOL

Maybe you used failfit, your unlogical thinking show to us your answer, but the real pilots, (not you noob) dont want to give to enemy his very expensive modules, that's why they exploding their ships, because they know they will lost their ship.

Thats why the military why destroying their high technologies,when no chance to survive because they dont want to give their stuffs to enemy.

So, the loot drop after selfdestructing it's a fail.
The killmail it's fine if the killmail info includes the self destructing at
involved parties and the exploded ship HP what the ship owner destroyed.


Ah, so your gripe is with self destructing being "fail" or "useless" specifically when in combat (rather than in general, which is obviously a silly thing to suggest, for the reasons I've pointed out)?

Well all I can say to that is deal with it. You were going to lose a ship anyway (because of you were doing something stupid or have an embarrassing lolfit and got caught), but now the people who put in the time and effort to kill you get an accurate battle report and maybe some loot. Seems fine to me :)
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#209 - 2012-08-01 10:30:49 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
[quote=Ribikoka]
True, just gunslinger troll dont understand anything from this changes.
After this changes the SD function will be an useless feature which is nonsense and loot drops from a ship a fail when a player destruct his ship and his modules because he dont want to give them to enemy hands.



I do believe I gave very clear examples of where self destructing is still a useful action. I even said I personally wouldn't mind if loot DIDN'T drop.

So I don't know why you're screaming that I'm a troll. Had to self destruct one too many capitals, have you? Don't want the rest of EVE to know you lost a ship because of an embarrassing lolfit or something?


Your logic is bullsh*t and you gave a crap example.
Man if the pilot use explosives to self destruct his ship and modules you just get wrecks and exploded!!! items.
Do you understand this with your childish logic ? That's why using self destruct someone, because he dont want to give his ship and technologies to enemy.
Without this feature the SD is useless and nonsense.


If would help if you trying to use your brain.
Yes you are a troll without logical thinking. Maybe you never could to bring to fight enough firepower to sink enemy ships and crying to CCP when you cant get killmails. YOU SHOULD TRY TO USE NOT CIVILIAN GUNS YOU NOOB!!! And another thing self destruct a pod not equal with self destruct a ship after when someone agressed your ship. Maybe equal for you without brain but not for other else.

The SD is nonsense after this patch when someone aggressed you. Why use anyone when the ship will drop loots and wont give to no one any advance. Other one, why will drop loots, when a player exploding his modules/ships, designedly annihilate his stuffs.
When someone exploding his combat tools that will be undamaged ??? LOL

Maybe you used failfit, your unlogical thinking show to us your answer, but the real pilots, (not you noob) dont want to give to enemy his very expensive modules, that's why they exploding their ships, because they know they will lost their ship.

Thats why the military why destroying their high technologies,when no chance to survive because they dont want to give their stuffs to enemy.

So, the loot drop after selfdestructing it's a fail.
The killmail it's fine if the killmail info includes the self destructing at
involved parties and the exploded ship HP what the ship owner destroyed.


Ah, so your gripe is with self destructing being "fail" or "useless" specifically when in combat (rather than in general, which is obviously a silly thing to suggest, for the reasons I've pointed out)?

Well all I can say to that is deal with it. You were going to lose a ship anyway (because of you were doing something stupid or have an embarrassing lolfit and got caught), but now the people who put in the time and effort to kill you get an accurate battle report and maybe some loot. Seems fine to me :)


Again you troll:

"Maybe you used failfit, your unlogical thinking show to us your answer, but the real pilots, (not you noob) dont want to give to enemy his very expensive modules, that's why they exploding their ships, because they know they will lost their ship.

Thats why the military why destroying their high technologies,when no chance to survive because they dont want to give their stuffs to enemy."

Try to read and forget your drama from lolfit.
But without brain you realy hard to understand why use a pilot self destructing.
Durzel
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#210 - 2012-08-01 10:42:25 UTC
Whichever way you slice it self-destruct being completely the same as the ship blowing up normally (kill report, loot) makes the whole function redundant outside of getting out of WH space.

If it's just going to be a "I'm bored" button, make the timer 10 seconds or something. Otherwise, don't drop loot and have it actually mean something.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#211 - 2012-08-01 11:45:56 UTC
what a staggeringly ignorant post , maybe you should actually read the thread before spewing your input
Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#212 - 2012-08-01 12:41:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Myz Toyou
The butthurt by the "I like to push that red button" faction is very strong, I suggest to visit your local proctologist.
Ribikoka seemed to have missed a few scheduled meetings with him tho.

See your failfit on a KB soon o/
Untouchable Heart
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#213 - 2012-08-01 13:01:17 UTC
The butthurt by Bite Me inc because they didnt bring enough firepower to shot a noobship and didnt got a simple killmail.
Durzel
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#214 - 2012-08-01 13:08:40 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
what a staggeringly ignorant post , maybe you should actually read the thread before spewing your input

Perhaps I should "contribute" with ad hominem attacks and retarded ~real life~ logic about rigging ships with charges to be able to self-destruct in a spaceship game with lasers and treacle-physics?

I haven't personally self-destructed a ship in combat once so v0v - good job on the psychoanalysis sport. Smile

ps. Posting a contrary point of view =/= ignorance
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#215 - 2012-08-01 14:19:08 UTC
Untouchable Heart wrote:
The butthurt by Bite Me inc because they didnt bring enough firepower to shot a noobship and didnt got a simple killmail.


We're not butthurt about you self destructing your failfit capitals ribikoka, we'd just like to see battle reports existing. Which we're going to get because CCP happen to agree with us. We look forward to your tears and failfit killmails in the future. And the gytostabs you fit to your archon, or whatever other lol mods you have, since they'll drop for our amusement and profits.
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#216 - 2012-08-01 16:05:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Untouchable Heart wrote:
The butthurt by Bite Me inc because they didnt bring enough firepower to shot a noobship and didnt got a simple killmail.


We're not butthurt about you self destructing your failfit capitals ribikoka, we'd just like to see battle reports existing. Which we're going to get because CCP happen to agree with us. We look forward to your tears and failfit killmails in the future. And the gytostabs you fit to your archon, or whatever other lol mods you have, since they'll drop for our amusement and profits.



Can you read, little troll ?

So, the loot drop after selfdestructing it's a fail.

This is what i wrote 3 post earlier.
The killmail it's fine if the killmail info includes the self destructing at
involved parties and the exploded ship HP what the ship owner destroyed.

Maybe your unlogical thinking hide your fail fit from killmail. :P


So, your failfit dreams its a fail again from hide fittings if i wrote the killmail it's fine and thats show it a pilot how fitted his ship. I think your mental phase is very bad, maybe thats came from your butthurt when you missed the killmails because your firepower was crap everytime.

And learn "gyrostab" name. Maybe you fit "gytostab" to your archon in your dreams, but thats realy hard , because your first and last ship a noobship what you can use it.

So, the main problem it's the loot drop, when the crew in the ship exploding everyone on the aboard.
After this change the SD is pointless after aggresing. One function remaining for noobs like you. SDing cynoalts and using SD for alternative clonejump. But meaningless from game and SD will be a ruined feature.
Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#217 - 2012-08-01 16:12:44 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:


Can you read, little troll ?



No, you cant read as Gunslinger and most of us "Yeah" sayers stated several times that we dont care about the loot drops, tbh I think most of us would even say remove it as long as CCP also removes insurance payout on SDing.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#218 - 2012-08-01 16:45:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Durzel wrote:
Perhaps I should "contribute" with ad hominem attacks and retarded ~real life~ logic about rigging ships with charges to be able to self-destruct in a spaceship game with lasers and treacle-physics?

I haven't personally self-destructed a ship in combat once so v0v - good job on the psychoanalysis sport. Smile

ps. Posting a contrary point of view =/= ignorance


Well first of all there's plenty more reasons to self-destruct than getting out of a wormhole, this isn't an opinion it's a fact, your not being aware of these reasons makes you ignorant (and lazy).

Second, why they can't change the timer to 10 seconds has already been covered in depth in this very thread, try going and reading it, (again, ignorant and lazy) also I didn't try to psychoanalyse you, are you on crack or something ?

PS; GJ dodging the profanity filter that always ends well.
Durzel
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#219 - 2012-08-01 17:44:00 UTC
lol whining about the profanity filter when every post you've made in this thread has included an ad hominem attack.

Really don't understand why you can't simply debate stuff like this like an adult. Have I called you any names? I'm not claiming to be an expert on everything, never have, nor have I said I know everything there is to know about everything. Quite why you feel the need to be so unconstructive is beyond me. If there are a multitude of reasons why someone might self-destruct, outside of escaping WH space, why don't you educate us "ignorant" folk as to what they are?

As for the "10 seconds" thing, that's just getting bogged down in semantics. If it can't be 10 seconds for technical reasons, then maybe it could be 30, or a minute.. the point wasn't that it must be 10 seconds moreover that if the outcome of clicking SD is the same regardless - loot and a killmail for your aggressors - then as far as I can make out, and I'm quite willing to be told I'm wrong in a rational manner, having it take 2 minutes to complete is irrelevant.

Now if it did an AoE blast, or didn't drop loot, the delay would make sense - since that timer would then, as it is now, be a countdown that your enemies have to beat to get the extra reward (or avoid the AoE blast)... for example.
Untouchable Heart
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#220 - 2012-08-01 17:57:11 UTC
Myz Toyou wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:


Can you read, little troll ?



No, you cant read as Gunslinger and most of us "Yeah" sayers stated several times that we dont care about the loot drops, tbh I think most of us would even say remove it as long as CCP also removes insurance payout on SDing.


Yes, he didnt read. So, HTFU and go away.