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Implant Sets Ideas

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Taegessia
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-07-31 20:05:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Taegessia
1] Been forced to choose between an Omega set implant or a common hardwiring in slot 6 was always a bit annoying to me.I'm not saying it is something broken,but i would like to suggest this :

Remove all the Omega set implants and distribute their bonuses to the other 5 set implants in slots 1-5.This way we get the 6th slot free to input a Hardwiring of our choosing and at the same time not lose the bonuses offered from the Omega set implants since they are distributed to the rest of the specific implant set.I am sure you can find an optimal way to distribute the Omega bonuses and regulate implant set prices accordingly.

2] Proposing the addition of a Regular implant set to all the sets that currently have only Low-Grade versions,like Nomad & Virtue sets.I'm not suggesting neccessarily to introduce more powerfull versions of these sets,as there are balancing factors involved.I will simulate my thought with a specific examble,say the Nomad set :

Make the current Low-Grade version of Nomad a Regular version and introduce a new Low-Grade Nomad set with lower bonuses & ofcourse lower price.The same for all other implant sets that currently have only a Low-Grade version.If you think you can introduce more powerfull versions without affecting game balance then i'm all in for it,as long as each implant set currently existing in game can have 2 versions,the Regular and the Low-Grade.My point is not about introducing more powerfull versions (i leave that decision to you),but to enrich each implant set with 2 versions.

Applying the 2 above modifications to the implant set mechanics,i think will make this aspect of the game simpler,give it symmetry & allow players to be more flexible in their implant setups,as the 6th slot will be available just for hardwirings and each implant set will have 2 versions as mentioned above,with the Low-Grade been more affordable than they are now,granted with lower bonuses.

"Please add an option to automatically repackage & stack our currently unpackaged items in our item hangar".

mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-07-31 20:16:37 UTC
First off, having to chose between having the Omega and having another hardwiring is a completely and totally intentional decision on CCP's part. If you want to have the best set bonus, you have to make sacrifices. It's completely and totally reasonable to have it as-is, your proposed change would be bad because it would remove that tradeoff.

Second, CCP can't just add in other implants and set their value because CCP doesn't set the value of anything except skill books, BPOs, and trade goods; everything else is player-driven and CCP has little to no control over it. Adding in another tier of those implants would most likely drive up the price because their drops would be rarer due to a shared loot table. You can't just change part of the game and not expect it to affect other parts.
Taegessia
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-07-31 20:40:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Taegessia
I can understand your explanation about the first suggestion,you are right ofcourse.The specific proposal about the 6th slot & Omega was mainly inspired by the fact that the last 2 years i have this feeling CCP wanting to make some aspects of the game simpler & more versatile.Someone could argue that the tradeoff as you accurately described is the very high price you pay for that Omega implant,but i can accept your explanation as a more logical one (what you said about been intentional,makes sense.)

I was aware about the prices been regulated by the players and not CCP,it was a formulation error on my part.In any case i think its not hard to introduce a 2nd tier for sets like Nomad or Virtue in a way like the one described in my previous post,new modules-items are introduced every now and then and i assume that on some point they will stabilize on a specific price range.

"Please add an option to automatically repackage & stack our currently unpackaged items in our item hangar".

Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-07-31 21:26:58 UTC
Taegessia wrote:
I can understand your explanation about the first suggestion,you are right ofcourse.The specific proposal about the 6th slot & Omega was mainly inspired by the fact that the last 2 years i have this feeling CCP wanting to make some aspects of the game simpler & more versatile..



this is already simple. Want the omega bonus, fit the omega. Want slot 6 skill wires run skill wires. You make your char how you want. EFT works well for this. PLug in the omega see your bonii. Take it out, plug int he slot 6 skill wire see you bonii. Pick the bonii that means more to you.

its the same thing you do for slots 7-10 tbh. Lots of these slots have 2 contenders for me. I pick what I need and/or want more.

Taegessia
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-07-31 21:46:39 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
Taegessia wrote:
I can understand your explanation about the first suggestion,you are right ofcourse.The specific proposal about the 6th slot & Omega was mainly inspired by the fact that the last 2 years i have this feeling CCP wanting to make some aspects of the game simpler & more versatile..



this is already simple. Want the omega bonus, fit the omega. Want slot 6 skill wires run skill wires. You make your char how you want. EFT works well for this. PLug in the omega see your bonii. Take it out, plug int he slot 6 skill wire see you bonii. Pick the bonii that means more to you.

its the same thing you do for slots 7-10 tbh. Lots of these slots have 2 contenders for me. I pick what I need and/or want more.



By the expression simpler i didn't meant by any way that the current mechanic is complex,just to avoid any further confusion.To compare it to a change already applied for quite some time,i meant in a way just like when they removed all the learning skills and we stopped having to train them.That doesn't imply that when we had the learning skills it was a complex mechanic.More complex or less simple than without the learning skills,yes.

"Please add an option to automatically repackage & stack our currently unpackaged items in our item hangar".

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#6 - 2012-07-31 22:26:19 UTC

1.) Omega implants are extremely powerful give it's boosts to the rest of a pirate set. The omega's stacking effect is more potent than anything else you can put in slot 6. So the only reason for your complaint I can think of is you want to use a PG or CPU implant, and it conflicts with the Omega. I don't have any sympathy for you, ...

2.) I'm not opposed to "low grade" versions of Nomad or Virtue sets, but is it really needed? Also, mxzf already pointed out that the price of an implant set is market based, although the droprate definitely has an influence on it!
Taegessia
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-08-01 01:07:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Taegessia
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

1.) Omega implants are extremely powerful give it's boosts to the rest of a pirate set. The omega's stacking effect is more potent than anything else you can put in slot 6. So the only reason for your complaint I can think of is you want to use a PG or CPU implant, and it conflicts with the Omega. I don't have any sympathy for you, ...

2.) I'm not opposed to "low grade" versions of Nomad or Virtue sets, but is it really needed? Also, mxzf already pointed out that the price of an implant set is market based, although the droprate definitely has an influence on it!



1.) I know how powerfull the omega implants are.I didn't suggested to remove Omega implants just like that , i suggested to remove Omega implants & distribute their full bonus to the rest of the set,so that we still get the bonus.You don't have to think of the reason because i already mentioned it was my wish to have the 6th slot free just for hardwirings,it was an innocent wish and not a complaint.It didn't crossed my mind to think that the thing with the 6th slot is intentional as mxzf explained,but i did accepted it when i read his post.
How do you mean you don't have any sympathy for me?Sorry English is not my native and i can't figure out if this was meant as an offense or a joke.

2.) I am not saying we need them,just suggesting to add a 2nd tier in all implant sets that currently have only a Low-Grade.Do we need all the other implant sets that do have 2 versions,like the Crystal,Grail and the rest?If it has something to do specifically with the Nomad,Virtue sets for examble and game balancing & someone can explain why we have some sets just with Low-Grades and others sets with a Low-Grade and a Higher Grade please do so freely.
Mxzf corrected me about making a statement in my original post that prices where regulated by CCP.I ofcourse was aware about that ,it was just a formulation error on my part.I also mentioned that this happens whenever new modules\items are introduced in the game\market.So how can this be an obstacle for introducing new implants (whatever kind) in the game?

Finally everything above were just suggestions,in a way they were meant as questions as well.Not meant as complaints or "things that need to be done".

"Please add an option to automatically repackage & stack our currently unpackaged items in our item hangar".