EVE General Discussion

Your argument is invalid but I don't frequent the forums enough to carry on with you. +1 epeen points to you. Everyone else who has read your numerous posts will draw their conclusions. Don't ever presume you have a clue as to what enlisted military life is. You enlist live the life then you get the right to an opinion otherwise your answer should be "I don't know" and your lips close tightly. Many other things could be said but would only continue this endless cycle.

Anyway this convo is not the purpose of this thread so were done.





Hulk ore bay could be increased to hold at least 3 cycles of ICE (9000 m3) since this seems to be a very large concern from people. Also perhaps increasing the cargo hold to 500 m3 for crystal storage. my 2 cents.

Hm.. CCP Arrow you have to know that I do not like to use the tree view. My proposal would be to set this checkbox to be able to open new windows as default without the need of a tree view, if possible. I mean doubleclicks at ships in stations, wrecks in space, station containers in my station hangar etc. Simple all thinks, associated to the inventory, open in a new window. I would like to be able to turn off / hide the tree view complete but be able to open new windows via doubleclick at the responding icons again.
I do not use the integrated filters to search for any assets. I use named containers. But now it is a little bit weird to navigate through them and back.
I have no idea what should be the behavior of this "AutoShift" if you click at the tree. Because I do not like the tree very much. If you just implement the option to open new windows via doubleclick I do not need to use the tree anymore. I would simple doublecklick again to open seperate windows again. That would be enough for me. I do not need more options.
I could drag & drop things around between my two windows and I would be happy again.

I am not an native english speaking person. So I have to say sorry for some strange wordings.

Addition: OK I think you know what I mean...

Currently on TQ, if you hold the Shift key while Double-clicking your own ship you will open up a secondary inventory window which should be as you configured it before, if you however do not hold Shift, you open up the primary inventory window (Unified Inventory) which does also persist, but only in the location of the primary window, and not the cargo hold that you expected.

So this does currently work, if you open up a secondary type window, but that only happens by holding in the Shift key.. So this setting that we are adding will make this the primary behavior, so there would not be a need for holding the Shift key to get the secondary windows.

I like this, as long as the "tab/popup botton" is small and consisten, like a little wrench in the corner of said window that toggles the settings mode / popup whatever... And not a giant tab strip across the top of the damn window lol... just add a small wrench next to the minimize/maximize or something.

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Crush me totaly!

I don't use the tree AT ALL... I just want to know what is classed as a secondary window and how and from where it is opened.

CCP Arrow, I was wondering if you could also add the ability to open Ships Hangar and Items Hangar directly from the neocom in a secondary window?

Reason I am asking for this is to bring one of the old functionalities back (where you had items hangar and ships hangar just above the undock icon) This way the people who still dislike the new inventory have the option to never see it... (win win for everyone)

I really think the removal of these shortcuts was one of the major issues (besides the removal of right click shortcuts on ships)
When you remove something that is used by almost everyone, people become annoyed and angry :) so adding back these will help alot!... I will basicly not have anything to complain about in the new Unified Inventory then...

TL;DR
Give us back ships and items hangar shortcuts on the neocom, (while still keeping Inventory shortcut) and make these open as secondary windows.

what if we have two windows open with the tree view expanded?

Yes, I want to add it to the Neocom again. Originally the plan was to only have items in the Neocom that could always be there both in station and in space because new users got confused when Items hangar and Ship hangar disappeared from the Neocom on undock. We also got feedback from players not wanting these two buttons being locked at the bottom and so close to the Undock button so we had decided to make them behave like other Neocom buttons, that users could move around in the icons list. However, when we tried that we saw that managing their location was quite tricky when they would disappear from the Neocom Menu on undock, the list would shift making icons below it move upwards and change their position (if users didn't have them at the bottom of the icons list). If users would then change the position of other icons in the Neocom, perhaps put a new Icon at the bottom, knowing where the Items hangar and Ship hangar should appear again on docking was tricky. Some players remember the position of certain Neocom icon instead of the look of the icon itself.

It became something that wasn't trivial to find a graceful and consistent solution to and we thought the shortcuts to open the Ship hangar and Items hangar directly as secondary windows would be sufficient along with the ability to open them from the Unified Inventory, but it was a wrong call and for that I'm sorry.

So, an idea I want to throw out there: If we would add them into the Neocom again, would it be OK if the Items hangar and Ship hangar would be greyed out in the Neocom when they are not accessible? (while in space). That way you can still know where they are located compared to other Neocom icons, but also know that you can't click them at that time.
This would mean that these two icons would behave differently from everything else in the Neocom, so kind of inconsistent, but I'm guessing you would be fine with that?


TL;DR: Users that want to have Items hangar and Ship hangar in the Neocom (even though they disappear (or grey out) on Dock/Undock) should be allowed to do so and it is in our iteration plan to allow players to move them to the Neocom root again.

Until this is fixed you can use Alt-N for Ship hangar and Alt-G for Item hangar to open them up directly as secondary windows, and because they are secondary windows, they remember their state, position, size etc. individually.

Greying them out would be better than not having them at all. While you are fixing the Neocom, any chance we could get our date back?