EVE General Discussion

The reactions are mixed, as expected. However, lifting those rules is only the first step. We know that the current war mechanics leave a lot to desire (which is one reason those rules were set down in the first place), and there will be more to come in this regard. When exactly, this I sadly don't know, but lifting those rules will give us a better view on the various loopholes that exist within the mechanics (for both, attackers and defenders).

Having said that, if you have ideas on how to improve war mechanics and make them more sound and useful, it probably is a good time to create (or revive) according threads on the Features and Ideas Discussions forum in this regard.

so then if "allianc hopping" is allowed to AVOID a dec, surely I can join a corp while sitting in a target's mission and shoot him right?

Or is this still an exploit? If youre going to change one rule, you better sure as **** change all the rules.

Wow what an appalling choice.

Doesn't really impact on me anymore since I no longer run a merc alliance and play in 0.0 but it still makes me think that it's a **** choice.

As for reviving the "flogging a dead horse" posts regarding war decs there have been countless valid suggestions as to how to fix the mechanics over the years and none have been acted upon or even really developed since very early in the game's lifespan.

Removing the restrictions to allow you to find out what the loopholes are is a sadly, disingenious argument as we and you (assuming you haven't lived under a rock for five years) already know what the major issues are from both sides of the fence.

I'm not saying there is a quick win or a fix that will keep everyone happy but dropping the existing rules that were put in place for good reasons before there is even talk of an "answer" is just jaw-doppingly ill-conceived.

Then dont bloody change the mechanics before you have an idea how the new mechanics should be

Being in a CORP -or- ALLIANCE shouldn't be a given ... if they dont want to be dec'd ... stay in an NPC corp

PROBLEM SOLVED with out alienating anyone

Dumb change.

Won't really impact anything, as this exploiting is already standard for many (particularly POS owners), but the message it conveys to those of us who play for "the sandbox" is terrible. EVE should always be a game of risk vs reward. Empire is far too safe already (break it up into small islands surrounded by lowsec, etc, yo).

If people don't want to deal with wars, they already have the "safe" option of sitting in an NPC corp. If they want the perks of a "real" corp (0% tax, pos anchoring, standing boosting, etc), then it's only right they expose themselves to a degree of risk (that they can't dodge with a couple of clicks), to compensate for their increased means to generate income.

I appreciate there may be further changes planned, etc, but I don't think legalising it was neccesary. There should already be mountains of information on the subject, given it never stopped.

someone explain to me in simple terms what this means, I am unfamiliar with empire wardec mechanics

It means that people or corps who persistently avoided wars by various mechanics and who would have been stopped from doing so under the previous "rules" now can freely avoid wars.

One impact for example is that this essentially makes all high sec pos's invulnerable for the corps who have a clue.

As eve has changed over the years Empire has more and more become a refuge for people with alts to earn isk safely and without risk whilst having their pvp character in 0.0.

Eve was never about being safe and it was never about making empire the area for alts and 0.0 for pvp. It was always about different types of pvp and different types of isk earning.

What we really risk here is the true formalising of the idea that empire is a safehaven (ignoring ganks) as it now gives carte blanche for people to simply avoid pvp if they don't fancy it and yes it's bad enough already (to the point where it's pathetic).

Whilst I acknowledge there were a lot of people using the war mechanics to try and beat up younger corps, before this became prevalent the war mechanic was a well used tool for people with grudges and for professional mercenary organisations. With no real solution or mechanic to replace what we have now the system truly becomes broken and today's announcement simply gives the broken mechanic a seal of approval.

This mechanic has been broken for longer than Capital Ships, longer than Factional Warfare's issues and longer than engine trails. Ok maybe that last one is a fib but it does show that the war dec system has needed reinforcing for a good 4-5 years and then some.

CCP should not endorse a paradigm shift from their original plans to ensure that "You should not be safe anywhere in EvE". This change is as close to that as they get and that to me is an ill-considered move.

With all the hoohah recently and with Hilmar's heartfelt letter to the community I would hope that someone somewhere may actually rethink this decision and ask themselves what benefit it offers. Either that or make a decision on how they want wars to work and implement it.

CCP spent almost 2 years equivocating about bookmarks before finally deciding to do something about it and suddenly the eureka moment of warp to 0 occured. We need similar focus on fixing this mechanic not another 2 years of flogging dead horse idea threads and lot's of arguments over why CCP made hi sec pos's quasi-unkillable.

So empire is now safe from Wardec's then?

There had damn well better be a massive overhaul of WD mechanics after this. I don't even live in empire and this upsets me. This is not supposed to be a safe game, and WD's was one of the things that prevented Empire being 'happy carebear land'.

Stop this slope of making empire the land of protected. It's getting worse and worse.

Also is this going to effect leaving and rejoining wardec corps to 'gank then leave'? Or are you going to leave THOSE restrictions in place, and **** it over completely?



Highsec is SAFER, not SAFE.

Man... talk about two steps forward (supers) and one step back (wardecs)...

So why even have the wardec mechanic at all if there's a fairy land region in eve. Nobody cares about wardecs in null or lowsec really... they just go to war. War decs were DESIGNED for empire... and now a war dec is a 24 hour inconvenience?

Whatever.