EVE General Discussion

^They wish it ran on Sun Tzu's model. But on another lvl we are post Sun Tzu, when it comes to spies.

"Yes of course we know we have spies here. And of course we have alt's in their alliance, and of course they know we have alt's in their allainces."

Actually I always found EVE's PvP to be quite intriguing, but I never got around to do it properly, because I somehow felt that if I just bought a cheap frigate and jumped to Lowsec, looking for a fight, I'd just make myself cannonfodder for the big guys.

But it always bugged me, that I missed out on this particular (and integral) part of the EVE-experience, so I guess I'll be joining RvB for a while, so I can learn the ropes. And maybe after a few months, I'll move to Lowsec to kick some pirate butt.

Or you could just skip all that and go straight to nullsec, which is actually pretty noob friendly depending upon the alliance you're in.

Mostly a police force, if just having a second group of players, so you count as the blob is all that is required maybe. Lots of people have blobbed before.

Surprise, in a decently mannered thread where people dare to speak themselves out we have the resident troll server police dictating which game the others should play just because they don't brown nose the current mechanics.

I personally find many of the comments here to be a bit mis representative of the reality in game. I find that most people that don't PvP do not PVP simply as a preference of play style, finding something in Eve they love that has nothing to do with PvP but simultanously the existance of PvP as a concept in game is creating a challenging and more interesting enviroment than most single player games that might do something similiar can offer. Take the X series of games. You can do many of the same things from an economic, builder or miner play styles, its just not as fun without the dangers of other players.

I think most people that play Eve are glad the dangers of PvP and the risks the game offers are there, but simultanously get frustrated when they get caught by those mechanical systems in play Most complaining and rage I find in game is based more on some isolated incident where someone lost a ship unexpectadly which drives the I hate X mechanic type conversations and perhaps for a brief moment that person might become a supporter of the "I don't think I should have to PvP", but to me in the long run and as a broad concept non-consensual PvP is something even the most hardened carebear is secretly glad is there. Simply put without it, it just wouldn't be the same game.

That said personally I avoid PvP but always prepare for PvP. I avoid it simply because PvP for PvP's sake, another words without a plan or a purpose is generally a costly endevour and slows my progression. I want to PvP on my terms and this is something I always endevour to do. My terms means in my favor. Im not looking for fair fights or some honarable combat situation. My goals are to advance in the game, become richer, more powerful... fair play in war is a silly concept. When I PvP I know that whatever the fight is, its about something (usually earning ISK). In that sense I can say that I participate in PvP when it serves my purpose, while on occasion I get nailed (forced into PvP) as I'm attempting some other profitable operation, in which case while it can be frustrating, I know going into it that there is the possibility that what Im doing my result in me dying. After six years I have died about 20 times..... which proves I think that with a bit of effort and preperation you can very easily avoid death. There isn't a single death on my record which cannot be accounted for as "me attempting to do something profitable and failing at it" a couple of training accidents aside.

So in my humble opinion there is nothing wrong with Eve PvP, I just think many people come from games which try to put "combat mechanics" into some realm of balance and fair play, but Eve isn't about fair combat, its about broader things like earning ISK, territory control, rising to power... fairly play has nothing to do with it... you want fair play create a tournament and invite people to it or something, but if your out in low sec or 0.0 looking for "fair combat" you are by definition a future victim.

This +1

PVP in EVE is not a sports competition.

This is why many enjoy pew in wormhole space.

That said, I'd certainly pew more if there were more people in w-space... preferably of the kind who don't SD inside their POS forcefields.

I don't know about the others, but i recently started playing Eve.
There is much i still don't know about this game, and i like to know as much as i can before i do anything silly.
The other game i play other than this is Dota. I do engage in other PvP games quite often.

So my reasons are as follows
1. I'm new to Eve.
2. I enjoy exploring all aspects of the game(I have barely touched on 10% of the game so far)
3. I'm poor.
4. I like to know i have a chance of succeeding in things i do. (Which is unlikely, given my lack of knowledge and experience in PvP, AND the fact that my character is new, with low skill points.)
5. I play different games when i'm in a different mood.
For example, i play GTA IV or DDO when i feel like killing NPCs.
When i feel like killing players, i play Dota or HON.(HoN is fun because i can taunt players!)
When i feel like doing something relaxing i go play warcraft III tower defence maps.
Eve? Well. Eve is where i go when i decide i want to learn more about a game!(Because there's just so much more to find out about Eve.)

I am of course, going to eventually try PvP. But only when i feel i have sufficient knowledge and experience. (Thats what the test server is for :3)