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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1741 - 2012-07-28 18:25:18 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:

those who unsub because they can't stand getting ~griefed~ will unsub for some other reason

this game is not for everyone

Right. And when CCP tallies the votes (aka subs,) who do you think has a bigger voice? The high-sec gankers? Or the high-sec miners? I think it's pretty obvious that CCP values the miners' concerns over the high-sec gankers' concerns.

The real question is: will the high-sec gankers unsub over the mining ship changes? Because, you know, this game isn't for everyone.


The HS gankers include a large portion of low sec folks, null sec folks, and HS folks. Remember, a lot of gankers are alts.

And if miners become the only voice CCP listens to, we'll cull them by the thousands.


Yes keep making them re-buffed again and again, that'll really show them. Roll

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Dave Stark
#1742 - 2012-07-28 18:25:33 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:

those who unsub because they can't stand getting ~griefed~ will unsub for some other reason

this game is not for everyone

Right. And when CCP tallies the votes (aka subs,) who do you think has a bigger voice? The high-sec gankers? Or the high-sec miners? I think it's pretty obvious that CCP values the miners' concerns over the high-sec gankers' concerns.

The real question is: will the high-sec gankers unsub over the mining ship changes? Because, you know, this game isn't for everyone.


The HS gankers include a large portion of low sec folks, null sec folks, and HS folks. Remember, a lot of gankers are alts.

And if miners become the only voice CCP listens to, we'll cull them by the thousands.


considering on sisi the hulks have had their 7.5% shield resistances/mining barge level cut to 5%/level i think they're listening to the gankers too.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1743 - 2012-07-28 18:34:41 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:

those who unsub because they can't stand getting ~griefed~ will unsub for some other reason

this game is not for everyone

Right. And when CCP tallies the votes (aka subs,) who do you think has a bigger voice? The high-sec gankers? Or the high-sec miners? I think it's pretty obvious that CCP values the miners' concerns over the high-sec gankers' concerns.

The real question is: will the high-sec gankers unsub over the mining ship changes? Because, you know, this game isn't for everyone.


The HS gankers include a large portion of low sec folks, null sec folks, and HS folks. Remember, a lot of gankers are alts.

And if miners become the only voice CCP listens to, we'll cull them by the thousands.


Yes keep making them re-buffed again and again, that'll really show them. Roll

Well if the puny ones leave the game it's better for us all.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1744 - 2012-07-28 18:39:35 UTC
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Quote:

Cause stating something without backing it up is proof.


What you gave was a data section. If that was the extent of a paper you were turning in you would most assuredly get an 'F'. You need to flesh out your argument. Take your data and add a discussion section explaining why the differences you found were not significant. And if all you're going to do is provide numbers without a lot of reasoning, provide a statistical analysis of your numbers. How significant is the yield difference between them? How did you come to that conclusion? Are there any mitigating factors? Why should I take your yield numbers as proof that they are 'homogenized'?

You have stated something without backing it up, you just don't realize it.


Why should I do all that when your only argument is "lol no?" Low effort argument gets a low effort return.

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Pipa Porto
#1745 - 2012-07-28 18:41:30 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Yes keep making them re-buffed again and again, that'll really show them. Roll


They get buffed, buffed, and buffed again, and yet still they whine that their boats can be violenced.

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Charles Baker
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1746 - 2012-07-28 18:53:18 UTC
Lets make this 100 pages of tears.
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#1747 - 2012-07-28 19:12:07 UTC
Gone are the days in Eve where 0.0 strife (BoB v. Goons, the Drone Wars etc etc) drove the game...have we fallen so low that all we have to discuss are the 2 professions that were once considered beneath contempt and not thread-worthy...

Miners vs. Gankers. That's all we have left. I find that sad. I feel dirty having even posted the amount of times I have in this thread. I am going to wash now.

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1748 - 2012-07-28 19:27:33 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:

those who unsub because they can't stand getting ~griefed~ will unsub for some other reason

this game is not for everyone

Right. And when CCP tallies the votes (aka subs,) who do you think has a bigger voice? The high-sec gankers? Or the high-sec miners? I think it's pretty obvious that CCP values the miners' concerns over the high-sec gankers' concerns.

The real question is: will the high-sec gankers unsub over the mining ship changes? Because, you know, this game isn't for everyone.





Interesting take.


It's becoming obvious what CCP is trying to do, but can they do it in a matter that the game becomes comprised of "worlds within worlds"?

Take the WiS thing. Will there ever be a time when there is station content at a level that a person can play the game but never fly a ship? What would that mean?

While the OP makes a lot of good points, perhaps the miner and the ganker are two worlds that cross paths in such a manner that CCP finds detrimental. The statement that suicide ganking should not be profitable appears to support this.

For me, it seems to break immersion for me that a small ship can take out a large industrial ship so easily, being an indication that industrials are to intentionally flimsy or weapons are OP. I imagine taking out a Hulk with a cat to be comparabe to getting a car, filling it up with friends, giving them guns, and then we use it to go destroy a garbage truck or semi in "a few volleys".

It did not make much sense.

Upping their tank looks like a logical progression.

Ganking or suicide ganking is more of a symptom than a problem in itself. I hope that the content and the mechanics of the game become a solution for this, rather than simple "balancing" through EHP.

Once that happens, then we will know who is "playing a game" and who is here to pee in the pool.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1749 - 2012-07-28 19:28:49 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:
Gone are the days in Eve where 0.0 strife (BoB v. Goons, the Drone Wars etc etc) drove the game...have we fallen so low that all we have to discuss are the 2 professions that were once considered beneath contempt and not thread-worthy...

Miners vs. Gankers. That's all we have left. I find that sad. I feel dirty having even posted the amount of times I have in this thread. I am going to wash now.


Quoting myself:

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

This whole thread is created by bads who want to keep effortlessy farming other bads who are even worse.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#1750 - 2012-07-28 19:34:20 UTC
James Amril-kesh has suggested that the game would be better for us all if, 'the puny ones' leave the game.

I disagree, Eve would just not be the same without gankers.

This is not a signature.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1751 - 2012-07-28 19:59:18 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
James Amril-kesh has suggested that the game would be better for us all if, 'the puny ones' leave the game.

I disagree, Eve would just not be the same without gankers.

They're a necessary evil.
I was of couse referring to the miners with a sense of entitlement, however.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#1752 - 2012-07-28 20:02:33 UTC
Jihaddists can suck it.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1753 - 2012-07-28 20:05:16 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:
Gone are the days in Eve where 0.0 strife (BoB v. Goons, the Drone Wars etc etc) drove the game...have we fallen so low that all we have to discuss are the 2 professions that were once considered beneath contempt and not thread-worthy...

You have a very selective memory...

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Pipa Porto
#1754 - 2012-07-28 20:06:27 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:
Gone are the days in Eve where 0.0 strife (BoB v. Goons, the Drone Wars etc etc) drove the game...have we fallen so low that all we have to discuss are the 2 professions that were once considered beneath contempt and not thread-worthy...

Miners vs. Gankers. That's all we have left. I find that sad. I feel dirty having even posted the amount of times I have in this thread. I am going to wash now.


If you are disappointed with the stories coming from 0.0, you're free to go there and make better ones.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1755 - 2012-07-28 20:18:10 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Low effort argument gets a low effort return.


ditto
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#1756 - 2012-07-28 20:33:47 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:
Gone are the days in Eve where 0.0 strife (BoB v. Goons, the Drone Wars etc etc) drove the game...have we fallen so low that all we have to discuss are the 2 professions that were once considered beneath contempt and not thread-worthy...

Miners vs. Gankers. That's all we have left. I find that sad. I feel dirty having even posted the amount of times I have in this thread. I am going to wash now.


No, no, no.

Turn that around:

Those days are gone because no-one cares anymore, and the reason for that is 100% legit:

See, real adults don't take a freakin' video-game that seriously, plus they generally have little use for lame-ass e-drama that informs this.

Zerosec is a semi-consensual battleground full of no-life douchebags with monumentally overblown egos. The real sandbox is in empire-space hisec, in large part because of the false sense of security of many of its denizens.

And because sui-ganking is funny as Hell, too.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#1757 - 2012-07-28 20:38:00 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Jihaddists can suck it.


X:

ArtyToro, or BlapTos.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
stoicfaux
#1758 - 2012-07-28 20:40:40 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:

those who unsub because they can't stand getting ~griefed~ will unsub for some other reason

this game is not for everyone

Right. And when CCP tallies the votes (aka subs,) who do you think has a bigger voice? The high-sec gankers? Or the high-sec miners? I think it's pretty obvious that CCP values the miners' concerns over the high-sec gankers' concerns.

The real question is: will the high-sec gankers unsub over the mining ship changes? Because, you know, this game isn't for everyone.


The HS gankers include a large portion of low sec folks, null sec folks, and HS folks. Remember, a lot of gankers are alts.

But that would imply that the only Fun thing left to do in Eve is ganking high-sec miners. Which is a heck of an accusation to level at CCP/Eve.

If we're really at the point where most people find high-sec miner ganking (i.e. in-game bullying) to be the main point of fun in the game, then Eve really is dying, and after the Aug 8th mining ship buff, we'll see massive unsubs.

/not_holding_my_breath

However, when Planetside 2 goes live, I do expect a lot of the casual PvP crowd to leave in droves.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1759 - 2012-07-28 20:40:41 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Drone 16 wrote:
Gone are the days in Eve where 0.0 strife (BoB v. Goons, the Drone Wars etc etc) drove the game...have we fallen so low that all we have to discuss are the 2 professions that were once considered beneath contempt and not thread-worthy...

Miners vs. Gankers. That's all we have left. I find that sad. I feel dirty having even posted the amount of times I have in this thread. I am going to wash now.


No, no, no.

Turn that around:

Those days are gone because no-one cares anymore, and the reason for that is 100% legit:

See, real adults don't take a freakin' video-game that seriously, plus they generally have little use for lame-ass e-drama that informs this.

Zerosec is a semi-consensual battleground full of no-life douchebags with monumentally overblown egos. The real sandbox is in empire-space hisec, in large part because of the false sense of security of many of its denizens.

Know how I can tell you've never been there?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1760 - 2012-07-28 20:42:03 UTC
Fit a 100k EHP tank skiff on test server
tbh I preferred the mercoxit bonus