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Some dumb miners just don't learn

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Tiger Would
Doomheim
#101 - 2012-07-19 09:30:00 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
Serena Serene wrote:
Second part of this thread made me think of this.

Watch closely, I'm about to win this argument.



So, the water slide, was it any good?

Once you think you have it all, you have actually become ignorant towards everything else.

T. Would

La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2012-07-19 14:32:41 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
"As stated, those guys I have no pity for. They give honest hard workingminers like myself a bad name. Pirate "
Contradicts self multiple times, check. Too many examples to cite only one is cited.

Zyella Stormborn wrote:
I do have some problems with a few of the abuse-able mechanics of the game (like suicide ganking in 20mil ships being even possible in high sec vs 1 bil ships.

Whines about cheap ships killing expensive ships, check. Claims ganking in highsec is an exploit, check.

Zyella Stormborn wrote:
No risk / reward balance there), but CCP has slowly but surely been addressing things like this over time.
Claims their is no risk in ganking in highsec, check.

Zyella Stormborn wrote:
However, up until recently (and still now, although not as much), it was always in favor of the pirate (Orca exploit, suicide ganking in majorly cheap ships, etc) with no risk whatsoever, or negligible at best.

CCP has been taking risk out of highsec every patch almost. See the removal of the boomerang maneuver for the most recent favor to pirates.

Zyella Stormborn wrote:
If you have a case of red-flag on you, and you jump into an Orca, even to ship change... and the Orca gets flagged for being involved... there is a notable risk involved.
Does not understand how GCC works, check.

Zyella Stormborn wrote:
My experience in 0.0 has been ... well... not much more than 0.0, but a change I would love to see there as well is treating Local channel like WH space. From what I have been able to learn, it would make life much more interesting out there. Big smile
Does not live in 0.0 but makes suggestions to "fix/improve" it, check.

I've digested your post and shown you where each point applies because you missed it earlier. I do this in hopes that you will become more aware and less dense but I realize I may be asking too much. This is your one freebie, another terrible post and you will be added to the sponsorship list.

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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#103 - 2012-07-19 14:33:49 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:

Blah blah blah, brevity, brevity, brevity again for the 6th time even though I wasn't even the one to point it out, yadda yadda yadda spurg.



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hmm, this post wasn't nearly as thought out as your last two. I think you should spend some more time with it, perhaps inject some words you don't understand so you can appear like you aren't a total derp trying to validate your pathetic existence with an unimpressive brag thread. I can recommend a good thesaurus.

I understand, you probably feel like you have to overcompensate when those stupid, dumb-dumb miners are ruining the game by making craploads more isk than you. If its any consolation, you do make an excellent clown. Lol
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-07-19 16:38:13 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:

Blah blah blah, brevity, brevity, brevity again for the 6th time even though I wasn't even the one to point it out, yadda yadda yadda spurg.



*fap* *fap* *fap*

I'm almost there. Don't stop. Please don't stop!

*fap* *fap* *fap*




hmm, this post wasn't nearly as thought out as your last two. I think you should spend some more time with it, perhaps inject some words you don't understand so you can appear like you aren't a total derp trying to validate your pathetic existence with an unimpressive brag thread. I can recommend a good thesaurus.

I understand, you probably feel like you have to overcompensate when those stupid, dumb-dumb miners are ruining the game by making craploads more isk than you. If its any consolation, you do make an excellent clown. Lol

Remember kids: I am spaceship. Above poster however; not spaceship. :(
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#105 - 2012-07-19 16:44:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Zyella Stormborn
La Nariz wrote:
"As stated, those guys I have no pity for. They give honest hard workingminers like myself a bad name. Pirate "
Contradicts self multiple times, check. Too many examples to cite only one is cited.

Zyella Stormborn wrote:
I do have some problems with a few of the abuse-able mechanics of the game (like suicide ganking in 20mil ships being even possible in high sec vs 1 bil ships.

Whines about cheap ships killing expensive ships, check. Claims ganking in highsec is an exploit, check.


La Nariz wrote:
I've digested your post and shown you where each point applies because you missed it earlier. I do this in hopes that you will become more aware and less dense but I realize I may be asking too much. This is your one freebie, another terrible post and you will be added to the sponsorship list.



a) I'm afraid I still don't see the contradiction. Unless you are trying to say that because I mine I don't 'work hard' like a pvp'r I guess does? I disagree with you. I will say that FC's and Corp Officers (due to all of the micromanaging), are the only ones that I think actually work in the true sense of the word, in this game. All of the rest, no matter what they do, are playing. But it is after all, a game. If you don't enjoy mining, that does not make it any less fun for those that do. ;)

b) since you either missed it, or selectively edited it to give a desired spin, lets put the missing line back in. " The threat of being ganked should ALWAYS be in the game, even in High Sec. " No where did I say ganking should not be allowed in high sec. I said the risk should match the reward.

c) What was the reason CCP stated for removing the boomerang maneuver?

d) I will be the first to claim PvP is something I am still learning, as I have mentioned in previous posts. However unless they have changed it recently, people have been using their Orca to swap ships with no threat to the Orca after getting flagged in high sec forever and a day. Has that been changed?

e) I do not live in 0.0. The local chat 'fix' is not my idea, there are several places it is brought up around the site, by people who do. My son is in your corp as a matter of fact. Because I do not live there, does not mean I do not see what is going on there. It most certainly does not make me an expert however, and it was a random extra idea thrown in, not having much to do with this thread.

f) Not enough people post on these forums as it is, try to be a bit less insulting and a bit more constructive with your posts. Goonswarm is supposed to have some of the most dedicated and knowledgeable players in game. If this is the case, throw in some actual ideas other than 'bad post go away'. I'd love to read them.


~Zyella

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly

La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2012-07-19 17:44:27 UTC
Zyella Stormborn wrote:
f) Not enough people post on these forums as it is, try to be a bit less insulting and a bit more constructive with your posts. Goonswarm is supposed to have some of the most dedicated and knowledgeable players in game. If this is the case, throw in some actual ideas other than 'bad post go away'. I'd love to read them.


~Zyella


Saying mining in highsec is hard work is a contradiction in itself. If it were hard work it wouldn't be done mostly afk. Talk to your son he can explain why a lot of those ideas are bad. I only discourage bad posting, other than that never stop posting.

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Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-07-19 18:11:45 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Zyella Stormborn wrote:
f) Not enough people post on these forums as it is, try to be a bit less insulting and a bit more constructive with your posts. Goonswarm is supposed to have some of the most dedicated and knowledgeable players in game. If this is the case, throw in some actual ideas other than 'bad post go away'. I'd love to read them.


~Zyella


Saying mining in highsec is hard work is a contradiction in itself. If it were hard work it wouldn't be done mostly afk. Talk to your son he can explain why a lot of those ideas are bad. I only discourage bad posting, other than that never stop posting.

I actualy don't think she is saying mining is hard.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#108 - 2012-07-19 19:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
La Nariz wrote:
Zyella Stormborn wrote:
f) Not enough people post on these forums as it is, try to be a bit less insulting and a bit more constructive with your posts. Goonswarm is supposed to have some of the most dedicated and knowledgeable players in game. If this is the case, throw in some actual ideas other than 'bad post go away'. I'd love to read them.


~Zyella


Saying mining in highsec is hard work is a contradiction in itself. If it were hard work it wouldn't be done mostly afk. Talk to your son he can explain why a lot of those ideas are bad. I only discourage bad posting, other than that never stop posting.

Mining was quite difficult during the Ice interdiction.

Well, not the mining itself, but the not losing a single ship.



Also, have you tried ice mining. It is the hardest thing ever. Specifically keeping your sanity. Would prefer to watch Jita spam all day.

tl;dr mining properly is hard work, but pays off in being 99.9% safe. Many miners don't like hard work, so take the easy route, diaf, and then whine on forums.Evil
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#109 - 2012-07-19 21:39:42 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:

Blah blah blah, brevity, brevity, brevity again for the 6th time even though I wasn't even the one to point it out, yadda yadda yadda spurg.



*fap* *fap* *fap*

I'm almost there. Don't stop. Please don't stop!

*fap* *fap* *fap*




hmm, this post wasn't nearly as thought out as your last two. I think you should spend some more time with it, perhaps inject some words you don't understand so you can appear like you aren't a total derp trying to validate your pathetic existence with an unimpressive brag thread. I can recommend a good thesaurus.

I understand, you probably feel like you have to overcompensate when those stupid, dumb-dumb miners are ruining the game by making craploads more isk than you. If its any consolation, you do make an excellent clown. Lol


Your chain of vacuous sh#tposts hardly merit any response. The whole point of this entire thread was to point out how ridiculously dumb most miners are. I believe my point was sufficiently proven, and it's obvious that us mean ole gankers have made you so butthurt in the past that you'll troll any ganker thread out there. I think everyone here with an IQ higher than that of a common housecat can see that clearly.

Furthermore, I see what you're doing. You are trying to get me to waste my time responding to a mobius strip of truly terrible posts in efforts to keep me out of the game and leaving the miners be. No more! Your plot and plan has been foiled! To the Catalysts!

PS: Would you consider having my mouth babies?
PSS: I really couldn't give a flying squirrel's nut about how much ISK/hr I make.
PSSS: I really love you. Please consider my mouth babies proposal.
Phroot
1 New Eden Transport And Industry 1
Solyaris Chtonium
#110 - 2012-07-20 06:17:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Phroot
INFIDEL AND PROUD!
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#111 - 2012-07-20 07:33:55 UTC
Phroot wrote:
INFIDEL AND PROUD!



You had to edit a post this short? I wouldn't be so proud.
Korgan Medel
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2012-07-20 07:55:34 UTC
I think that fact that Daemon Creed posts here only makes his job harder.

I was doing a corp mining op last night and sat on D Scan, Any destroyer on dscan with the player name gets a search on battle clinic.

If I were to spot daemon creeds name in local I don't need to search just hit the dock button I know why he is here.

As long as he keeps getting kills it only reinforces the fact that he is right.
Togg Bott
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2012-07-20 15:08:07 UTC
As a partime miner (RL,yada,yada,yada). i fully approve this product. fail fits need to be punished, and often.

Bonus points for getting a ragequit... BONUS BONUS points for getting Hate mail and death threats.

its a internet MMO. craps gonna happen
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#114 - 2012-07-20 17:54:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Daemon Ceed
Korgan Medel wrote:
I think that fact that Daemon Creed posts here only makes his job harder.

I was doing a corp mining op last night and sat on D Scan, Any destroyer on dscan with the player name gets a search on battle clinic.

If I were to spot daemon creeds name in local I don't need to search just hit the dock button I know why he is here.

As long as he keeps getting kills it only reinforces the fact that he is right.


Not true! I could be coming to have a nice cup of tea and a biscuit, or perhaps to give a lecture on the finer points of Machiavellian doctrine. Naw, who are we kidding? I'm coming to kill you.

You, however, are not the breed of miner I am after. My prey is the absent, uninvolved and completely incompetent run of the mill miner in Eve. I feel that if mining is your chosen profession, the riches should go to the clever, the present, and the involved player. Not the slope that sits in a belt with his 4 Hulks and 2 Orcas mining AFK while he massages his nether regions to the latest episode of MLP.
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#115 - 2012-07-20 23:09:00 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:

You, however, are not the breed of miner I am after. My prey is the absent, uninvolved and completely incompetent run of the mill miner in Eve. .



You mean the guy who makes craploads more isk than you while afk? I wouldn't even care about losing a hulk that I could so effortlessly replace.

Your sig says "play however the hell you want", so why are you so butthurt about the way they play?
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#116 - 2012-07-21 00:33:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Astroniomix
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:

You, however, are not the breed of miner I am after. My prey is the absent, uninvolved and completely incompetent run of the mill miner in Eve. .



You mean the guy who makes craploads more isk than you while afk? I wouldn't even care about losing a hulk that I could so effortlessly replace.

Your sig says "play however the hell you want", so why are you so butthurt about the way they play?

He isn't butthurt, he is pointing out that the smart people seldom get taken out by him (because they move out of the way when he shows up) and the ones that do usualy learn how to not get caught again.

And as for making craploads more than he does, this simply isn't true. It's possilbe to make upwards of 30 mill off of a single hulk kill. Assuming the loot/salvage faries hate you and you only manage to pocket about 15-20 mill per hulk, and a single character can gank at LEAST one hulk every 20 minutes. the profit potential for killing a hulk is much greater than flying one in highsec.
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#117 - 2012-07-21 02:16:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Astroniomix wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:

You, however, are not the breed of miner I am after. My prey is the absent, uninvolved and completely incompetent run of the mill miner in Eve. .



You mean the guy who makes craploads more isk than you while afk? I wouldn't even care about losing a hulk that I could so effortlessly replace.

Your sig says "play however the hell you want", so why are you so butthurt about the way they play?

He isn't butthurt, he is pointing out that the smart people seldom get taken out by him (because they move out of the way when he shows up) and the ones that do usualy learn how to not get caught again.

And as for making craploads more than he does, this simply isn't true. It's possilbe to make upwards of 30 mill off of a single hulk kill. Assuming the loot/salvage faries hate you and you only manage to pocket about 15-20 mill per hulk, and a single character can gank at LEAST one hulk every 20 minutes. the profit potential for killing a hulk is much greater than flying it in highsec.


Yea, you can gank them that fast but that takes a lot of prep work to be able to do that, which are you not putting into the equation.

You must be dumb too. I doesn't require any more or less intelligence to be afk. Did you derps ever think that some miners consider being suicide ganked an acceptable risk for being able to make great income while not even having to be at the computer? Oh, right...and THAT is precisely why this is a clown thread and OP is the biggest clown in town. Honestly, logging on alts to praise yourself? BAAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!! Lol

Only 30 mil at best? Yea, I though it was bs about the profits he was boasting about. Esp when you got to split between 3 or 4 guys like he does. It's not even as fun as he tries to make it out to be.

btw. He was crying about how carebear miners are ruining the game, not to mention being butthurt at the world. Happy, content people don't feel the need to go around being douchebags to anyone they can.

CCP is finally getting around to fixing these zero-risk/reward loopholes that cowards can exploit. There are too many mechanics to protect suicide gankers and can flippers so that if the pest simply knows what he is doing, there is essentially zero risk involved and the result is nearly always predictable. This thing can't go on forever and its not the fault of the miners, its CCPs fault for having dumb mechanics that allow douchebaggery to occur without the threat of losing anything valuable on the part of the gankers, it will very likely get changed. Naturally, people want fair risk vs reward, its not a carebear thing.

Here you go in case you dumb bears missed it.

Airto TLA wrote:
The one grat irony of this whole post/issue is the gankers thump their chest about the bad carebears ruining the game, having it to easy, making money for free, being lazy, doing repetive tasks for maney, etc. But, ganking hulks in catalysts pretty much fulfils all of those items as well.

Look I have nothing against ganking hulks, but after the third time it was pretty much the same as mining, hop in ship head out for pretty much predetermined result. Gankers pretty much hide from real PVP by using hi sec mechanics, to allow them to pod move and drop a ship when needed.

Look if you are a ganker and want to kill a carebear, hop in a ship self destruct and then pod yourself, one deadd bear.

I really blame CCP for this since real PVP rarely occurs in this game, we have BVP (blob vs player),Pvp(Player vs player who has no chance to fight back, only victory is escape) , and hte occasional BvB. The PVPers get bored and turn theur rage on the peeps whe really just like the crafting system .

Tl, DR version - Just because you can gank it does not make you intersting, good or better than the minor you blew up, you are a bear just like them, have a nice day.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#118 - 2012-07-21 02:16:51 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:

You, however, are not the breed of miner I am after. My prey is the absent, uninvolved and completely incompetent run of the mill miner in Eve. .



You mean the guy who makes craploads more isk than you while afk? I wouldn't even care about losing a hulk that I could so effortlessly replace.

Your sig says "play however the hell you want", so why are you so butthurt about the way they play?

He isn't butthurt, he is pointing out that the smart people seldom get taken out by him (because they move out of the way when he shows up) and the ones that do usualy learn how to not get caught again.

And as for making craploads more than he does, this simply isn't true. It's possilbe to make upwards of 30 mill off of a single hulk kill. Assuming the loot/salvage faries hate you and you only manage to pocket about 15-20 mill per hulk, and a single character can gank at LEAST one hulk every 20 minutes. the profit potential for killing a hulk is much greater than flying it in highsec.


QFT. My typical profit per Hulk is over ~35mil, give or take. Gotten lucky on my last gank and got 3 Intact Armor plates + 2 Power Circuits. That plus Strip Miner II's make for a nice take home, and I most of the time I get 1/2-3/4's of my T1 guns back. So yes, farming afk miners is very profitable. It easily allows for a sustainable ganking campaign.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-07-21 02:53:37 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:

You, however, are not the breed of miner I am after. My prey is the absent, uninvolved and completely incompetent run of the mill miner in Eve. .



You mean the guy who makes craploads more isk than you while afk? I wouldn't even care about losing a hulk that I could so effortlessly replace.

Your sig says "play however the hell you want", so why are you so butthurt about the way they play?

He isn't butthurt, he is pointing out that the smart people seldom get taken out by him (because they move out of the way when he shows up) and the ones that do usualy learn how to not get caught again.

And as for making craploads more than he does, this simply isn't true. It's possilbe to make upwards of 30 mill off of a single hulk kill. Assuming the loot/salvage faries hate you and you only manage to pocket about 15-20 mill per hulk, and a single character can gank at LEAST one hulk every 20 minutes. the profit potential for killing a hulk is much greater than flying it in highsec.


QFT. My typical profit per Hulk is over ~35mil, give or take. Gotten lucky on my last gank and got 3 Intact Armor plates + 2 Power Circuits. That plus Strip Miner II's make for a nice take home, and I most of the time I get 1/2-3/4's of my T1 guns back. So yes, farming afk miners is very profitable. It easily allows for a sustainable ganking campaign.

I was underplaying it a bit. Note the part where I said "upwards of 30 mill" And I'm not sure how you can make "craploads" of isk mining in highsec. Highsec ore's aren't worth a whole lot and mining in general is fairly poor in terms of isk/hour. The tradeoff being it is less involved (at its core) than most other income sources.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#120 - 2012-07-21 02:53:41 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
stuff

You also forget to account for the loss of ISK due to them no longer mining.

So not only does mining make pitiful isk, if you do it afk and get ganked, you end up losing not only the ship(s) but also from not being able to mine (plus implants if the ganker goes back).