Player Features and Ideas Discussion

While we continue to wait for the much anticipated POS overhaul, can we please get an easy update?

There are currently 3 versions of the Refinery arrays for POS's with the following stats (that we care about):

Intensive Refining Array
Capacity : 200,000 m3
Max refining amount : 75%
Refining Time : 10,800 seconds
PowerGrid : 750,000 mw
CPU : 4,000 tf

Medium Intensive Refining Array
Capacity : 25,000 m3
Max refining amount : 75%
Refining Time : 5,400 seconds
PowerGrid : 375,000 mw
CPU : 2,000 tf

Refining Array
Capacity : 40,000 m3
Max refining amount : 35%
Refining Time : 3,600 seconds
PowerGrid : 100,000 mw
CPU : 700 tf

Given the history of these arrays, the amount of Ore/Ice that can be mined by even the smallest of groups and it can be easily seen why they don't see more usage.

Will this circumvent Rorqual compression? No
Will this circumvent players avoiding Outpost refining? No
Will this help industrialists that have limited or no Outpost access? Yes

The ideas behind these "suggested" updates are to allow these arrays to be used by POS owners that do not have access to the obviously more "efficient" Outposts or NPC stations by:

1. Lowering CPU & PG needs
2. Significantly reducing the time to refine
3. Increasing refining capacity
4. Increasing "max" refining amount
5. Keep Ice refining as-is
6. Refine Ore at a base 40% with skills (use the NPC station formula)


> > > NEW Proposed Stats < < <

Intensive Refining Array
Capacity : 2,800,000 m3
BASE refining amount : 40%
Refining Time : 3,600 seconds
PowerGrid : 400,000 mw
CPU : 2,000 tf

Medium Intensive Refining Array
Capacity : 1,400,000 m3
BASE refining amount : 40%
Refining Time : 1,800 seconds
PowerGrid : 200,000 mw
CPU : 1,000 tf

Refining Array
Capacity : 400,000 m3
BASE refining amount : 40%
Refining Time : 900 seconds
PowerGrid : 100,000 mw
CPU : 500 tf

Suggestions and constructive feedback welcomed.

I can understand why there should be a penalty for refining in a 250m isk POS vs a 20b isk station

but 25% is pretty extreme.

A more realistic solution is needed, especially with the large amount of WH's now a days.

I can see there being a "penalty" too. The only thing I can see is the big alliances complaining that no one uses their refining stations anymore - but I don't see the issue when it takes 3 hours to refine 1 type of Ore - and as I've already said, in very limited quantities. Once you move to a standard refining scale (e.g. base 40% refine + skills), you can compete with a station - but ONLY in terms of refining yield - you are still extremely hobbled for quantities and multi-ore reprocessing jobs. Not to mention that your Alliance could "ban" these from being anchored in their space, so that effectively kills competition with stations where refining "taxes" could be taken.


I agree. WH's are already a logistics nightmare if you're trying to do any type of larger-scale industrial work inside of them. Despite what CCP may have wanted for WHs, people have put down roots and they want to be able to build their own 'stuff' inside of them becoming entirely self-sufficient within their Corps & Alliances.

For null-sec, you can compress minerals into modules (trust me, I do lots of this for clients) and reprocess for the minerals. You can't reprocess minerals in a WH or deep null-sec where there's no station.

How about really lowering the CPU/PG need and add a silo requirement, giving you the choice of how much space it has.

Created updated post in CSM forums.

Please lock this thread.