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What keeps you from PvPing?

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Challenged
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#181 - 2012-07-13 00:00:54 UTC
* scared to lose implants
* allways feel under skilled, cause u know chances are the first guy u meet is going to be 100 mil sp character
* rarely a fair fight, with so many high sec > low sec gates camped so heavily
* lost every fight I've been in myself
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#182 - 2012-07-13 00:07:11 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Nebula Terron wrote:
Eve Pvp is just not casual player friendly.



I log in about once a week for a couple hours, and often don't log in for 3-4 weeks at a time.

How much more casual could you get?

And you still make enough ISK in those couple of hours to replace the ships you lost in PVP?

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Plutonian
Intransigent
#183 - 2012-07-13 00:27:41 UTC
Over the years I've grown tired of these threads. They solve nothing, and generally boil down to a subtle sneer at non-PvP'ers. Usually by someone who feels the need to shore up a poor self image. But, just in case it actually is an honest question, here, in plain print if you can only read it, is the answer: People are different. Some like to fight, some don't.

Personally, I like to fight. Solo. Against stupid odds if possible. I enjoy the challenge of seeing if I can pull it off. And have always laughed as loudly at my ship blowing up as my enemies. I fly cheap and thus, it's all good.

However, I knew a guy back in Eve Uni that, when we were decced, felt it only right he should join a fleet and defend his corporation. After the first engagement, he had to run to his bathroom to throw up. He felt sick the rest of the night, and could not bring himself to do it again. He quietly dropped corp for the remainder of the war. And he was a steadfast, loyal corp member always ready to help out his mates any way he could.

I know there's a strong PvP culture in Eve. Hell... I'm part of it and believe it makes Eve special. But it is not the only style of play out there, nor is it more relevant than any other.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#184 - 2012-07-13 00:47:52 UTC
Plutonian wrote:
.........

However, I knew a guy back in Eve Uni that, when we were decced, felt it only right he should join a fleet and defend his corporation. After the first engagement, he had to run to his bathroom to throw up. He felt sick the rest of the night, and could not bring himself to do it again. ........

Sounds like someone for whom adrenaline has a bigger negative effect than for me. When I was in E-uni I managed to stick out the wars, although I spent most play time on an alt. One or 2 fleets a week was about my limit. In one fleet I even got on the KM for 2 carriers and 2 battleships (not with this pilot). I still did not want to repeat the experience. Stress and adrenaline: something I wish to avoid.

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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#185 - 2012-07-13 01:11:25 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
This was exacerbated by having a wife who hates computer games with a passion and considers it a slap in the face if I don't 'pause' my game and give her my full attention whenever she speaks to me.

That sucks. My wife has her own gaming rig. Her and I played together for several years in Unreal Tournament. I have a very elaborate computer room with 12 gaming rigs and buy what I want as long as she gets one too.

But on topic:

I started EVE after a friend told me about ECM. I wanted to fly a Scorpion. I have 2 toons that have every Electronics Skill to Level 5 as well as every Core Skill to Level 5. I've never been a kill mail whore and in 3 1/2 years of playng I haven't had one kill. I'm generally more interested in support roles.

I'd like to do PVP but:

- I'm not very good at it and don't know how to get better. Not interested in corps like EVE-University, I find them to be wayyyy to anal...
- RvB is a joke. Too many limitaions such as no ECM, no this, no that or the other thing.
- The null sec blob sucks.
- Trying to join a corp is just plain stupid the hoops you have to jump through. I was invited to join a corp in RAZOR Alliance. I gave them my API, bla bla, etc but 1/2 way through the 30 pages of questions I said "**** this" and gave up.

I don't mind losing ships if I was doing actual PVP. I have 10's of Billions of ISK and about 40 fitted Battle Ships just sitting around. I have 5 accounts, 9 toons and spend my time now just doing exploration...and hanging out in CP chat so I have someone to talk to..
Nathan Ernaga
Applesauce Brigade
#186 - 2012-07-13 01:13:22 UTC
Incindir Mauser wrote:


Ship hulls and modules. Namely the cost. PvP is an activity which destroys wealth.

Not that I am particularly attached to my ships, but PvP for new players is expensive.


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William Nimitz
Doomheim
#187 - 2012-07-13 01:24:20 UTC
When an average person, who is not wealthy, spends thousands of dollars to purchase a new car, is their first thought, "gee I bet it would be fun to play chicken with a hummer"? Of course not, it's normal human behavior to want to avoid destroying something a person worked hard to get. Likewise when some people spend hours grinding away at mind numbing missions or staring at rocks to finally get that flashy billion isk Tengu, they're not likely to wanna head right to lowsec and pit it against a gang of hurricanes.

It is a symptom of madness that thoughts become uncontrollably disjointed. This can be encouraged.
Pipa Porto
#188 - 2012-07-13 01:39:36 UTC
William Nimitz wrote:
When an average person, who is not wealthy, spends thousands of dollars to purchase a new car, is their first thought, "gee I bet it would be fun to play chicken with a hummer"? Of course not, it's normal human behavior to want to avoid destroying something a person worked hard to get. Likewise when some people spend hours grinding away at mind numbing missions or staring at rocks to finally get that flashy billion isk Tengu, they're not likely to wanna head right to lowsec and pit it against a gang of hurricanes.


Which is why most people don't PvP with expensive ships.

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Forum Foreplay
#189 - 2012-07-13 01:41:54 UTC
* have never left the station
* dont have any skills, as in zero
* dont know what kind of ship I own

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William Nimitz
Doomheim
#190 - 2012-07-13 01:42:51 UTC
Personally I'm not a fan of buying plex for isk, if I can't buy something with isk I made actually playing the game I'm not ready for it.

It is a symptom of madness that thoughts become uncontrollably disjointed. This can be encouraged.
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#191 - 2012-07-13 01:45:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiyora Akachi
1. The cost - People constantly say PvPing is cheap, its really not. When you lose a ship and get podded, thats a bunch of ISK down the drain. you can buy it back, yes. But time = money so wasted time = less money.

2. The people - I generally don't like to associate with PvPers in any game, they tend to be a bunch of trash talking loud mouths who BM that guy they just 5v1'd for being a bad player or something stupid. ('cause, you know, he totally had a chance to kill all of you)

3. The Corps - Some of those corps...jesus, its a game. Not a second job.

4. Lack of skill - In other games, you can kill someone better geared than you by just being more skilled. In EvE its not possible, it comes down to who has the highest SP that decides the engagement.

I'll stick to High-sec mission running, less people trying to 5 v 1 me because they have some sadistic need to blow up other people.

Although there is one guy trying to convince people to go after L4 High sec runners instead of miners....so....yeah.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#192 - 2012-07-13 02:04:13 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.

So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.

Thanks. Big smile

EDIT: When I say high sec players, I am referring to what is keeping them from player combat in general. It is not specific to a location in the game. That said if you live anywhere in the game and don't engage in combat feel free to say why.

Also I am seeing a lot of other players who do participate in player combat chiming in with the 'You're doing it wrong!' posts. Please just ignore them.


I think many don't PvP because for some backward reason there are penalties for shooting space ships in a space ship game.

The whole Faction Police/Agro system is outdated and makes no sense when placed along what CCP say (pretend) they want EVE to be. They say they want more PVP to happen and then put in place systems to discourage it.

These penalties discourage many players who would otherwise PVP. They still shoot other players when they play other games like Counterstrike or BF3 so the rules/mechanics of EVE must be faulty for them not to shoot in EVE.

CCP could encourage High Sec PVP with the deletion of Faction Police leaving players to be the police and shoot low status players.
This would allow criminals to re-ship in high sec - giving high sec population convenient access to pvp at their choosing.
If you don't want PVP - simply don't shoot the red. If you do - it's there almost all day.

However there is some NPC loving RPer at CCP who hasn't yet worked out that this is a PLAYER DRIVEN SANDBOX spaceship game so they will not do it.


If you have avoided PVP in EVE - you are missing out. It is the best rush you can get playing a game. Nothing else like it.

Get friends - fit up cheap ships - go to low sec and have a go. You will enjoy it.

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William Nimitz
Doomheim
#193 - 2012-07-13 02:15:48 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
CCP could encourage High Sec PVP with the deletion of Faction Police leaving players to be the police and shoot low status players.
So basicly you want any hasselhoff with a decently fit pvp ship to be able to attack new players anywhere at anytime and the only protection is some kind of player "police" who would naturally enforce rules instead of sitting there with popcorn in hand watching said new player be obliterated. Yeah... are you sure you're playing EVE?

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#194 - 2012-07-13 02:34:19 UTC
EVE PVP boils down to planning and patience, which most people dont have.
The length of time it takes to learn how to PVP well is also rather long, MUCH longer than most games.

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Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#195 - 2012-07-13 02:45:01 UTC
I mean no offense, but once again I am not interested in hearing why you think other people don't PvP. I want to hear it straight from the horses mouth on what keeps them from doing it. There is far too many internet psychologist in these threads on why other people do and do not.

It is time we sit back and let them say for themselves. I do appreciate the responses so far and there is no wrong answer so to speak. Also please ignore the trolls. Smile
Bommel McMurdoc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2012-07-13 02:49:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Bommel McMurdoc
Marconus Orion wrote:
I mean no offense, but once again I am not interested in hearing why you think other people don't PvP. I want to hear it straight from the horses mouth on what keeps them from doing it. There is far too many internet psychologist in these threads on why other people do and do not.

It is time we sit back and let them say for themselves. I do appreciate the responses so far and there is no wrong answer so to speak. Also please ignore the trolls. Smile



and several have responded to your inquiry, including myself.

whaddya want? some congressman to collect our concerns and hand them to you?
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#197 - 2012-07-13 02:53:55 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
Subscriptions to other games where PvP is free and is just one button away.


So, games where victory is meaningless and combat is about as exciting as watching Iron Chef.

How much solo PVP do you do?

How much would you do without a ship replacement program?

In Eve, there are two classes of players. People who PVP for free, and people who have to pay for it by earning the ISK themselves. The latter group has a tougher row to hoe.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#198 - 2012-07-13 02:55:22 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:

I think many don't PvP because for some backward reason there are penalties for shooting space ships in a space ship game.

The whole Faction Police/Agro system is outdated and makes no sense when placed along what CCP say (pretend) they want EVE to be. They say they want more PVP to happen and then put in place systems to discourage it.

These penalties discourage many players who would otherwise PVP. They still shoot other players when they play other games like Counterstrike or BF3 so the rules/mechanics of EVE must be faulty for them not to shoot in EVE.

CCP could encourage High Sec PVP with the deletion of Faction Police leaving players to be the police and shoot low status players.
This would allow criminals to re-ship in high sec - giving high sec population convenient access to pvp at their choosing.
If you don't want PVP - simply don't shoot the red. If you do - it's there almost all day.

However there is some NPC loving RPer at CCP who hasn't yet worked out that this is a PLAYER DRIVEN SANDBOX spaceship game so they will not do it.

Those who want PvP for PvP's sake can and often do find ways around those rules or avoid them altogether by living in space where those rules don't exist. Though, one thing that can be said about PvP here vs CS or BF3 is the entirely different scale of consequence for loss. I have not played BF3, but most multiplayer shooters have no real penalty for failure aside from slower progress through it's unlocks than success. It doesn't matter if you use the best you have access to and die 50 times in a match as you respawn with all of it after each death to go die more stupid deaths all over again. Not to mention the attempted assurance of things like numerical balance in the course of a match. The games you compare are too entirely different.
IbanezLaney wrote:
If you have avoided PVP in EVE - you are missing out. It is the best rush you can get playing a game. Nothing else like it.

Get friends - fit up cheap ships - go to low sec and have a go. You will enjoy it.

The few times I have voluntarily PvP'd I've not enjoyed it. Not everyone feels the same about the experience.
Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
#199 - 2012-07-13 03:31:45 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.

So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.

Thanks. Big smile

EDIT: When I say high sec players, I am referring to what is keeping them from player combat in general. It is not specific to a location in the game. That said if you live anywhere in the game and don't engage in combat feel free to say why.

Also I am seeing a lot of other players who do participate in player combat chiming in with the 'You're doing it wrong!' posts. Please just ignore them.


For me it seems counter-productive (in most cases) and counter intuitive to my goals in Eve Online. Now, I am not anti-pvp. I play other competitive games and enjoy them. Street Fighter IV, APB: Reloaded, Crimecraft, (insert FPS here); used to be a big WAR fan but they messed that game up. Anyhow, in Eve, I don't enjoy fighting unless there is a purpose to it.

I am primarily an industrialist and explorer. I sink a lot of money into my production lines, and profits are reinvested into that work. I buy/mine minerals to create items that are sold for profits that are used to buy more materials and blueprints and the creation cycle continues. I have gone so far as to manufacture 10 fully fit frigates, move them over to the edge of FW space all ready to go pew-pew. But then, it hit me. "Why am I doing this?"

I could not come up with a reason to go get those ships blown up.

So, broke them down and sold them off, reinvested in materials and so on.

I don't get excited about pvp combat in this game. Its a different kind of game compared to SFIV, and my goals in this game are different. Going on "roams" holds no interest to me. Kill mail whores sicken me. Fighting just for the sake of fighting seems silly to me in this game. I am interested in null-sec empire building, as that combat serves a purpose I can get behind, the conquering of space. It has purpose and reason that I can understand. But, I do not follow orders well, nor can I commit a large amount of time to assist in null-sec areas. So, I stay out of that mess and watch from afar.

Pipa Porto
#200 - 2012-07-13 03:44:47 UTC
William Nimitz wrote:
Personally I'm not a fan of buying plex for isk, if I can't buy something with isk I made actually playing the game I'm not ready for it.


In that case, a cheaply fitted rifter is ~2m ISK. Spend an hour missioning and you've got 25-30 Rifters to lose. Just because it costs like a nickel to Plex doesn't mean I'm suggesting you plex for it.

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