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What keeps you from PvPing?

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Derron Bel
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#161 - 2012-07-12 20:00:21 UTC
Oh the clone thing. Ugh. I just know if I pvp i'll forget to re-up my clone at some point. It's a dumb mechanic to require random button presses to not lose character progress. I'll gladly pay the fees.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#162 - 2012-07-12 20:02:18 UTC
This thread keeps me from PvPing tbo.

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Krysta Bourne
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#163 - 2012-07-12 20:20:37 UTC

  • Too new, still learning the game.


  • Too casual and poor to justify wasting time and ISK just to kill another player.


  • I despise getting enjoyment out of ruining another player's day.

Quaaid
Phoenix Foundry
#164 - 2012-07-12 20:21:31 UTC
Because Falcon.
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
#165 - 2012-07-12 20:26:07 UTC
Quaaid wrote:
Because Falcon.


Yawn....
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#166 - 2012-07-12 21:46:04 UTC
Krysta Bourne wrote:
Too new, still learning the game.

You'll never stop learning this game, ever. You will always learn something new, be it today, tomorrow, or next week. No one really knows everything in Eve, even the devs doesn't. That, I'm sure, have never stopped people from doing pvp.

Krysta Bourne wrote:
Too casual and poor to justify wasting time and ISK just to kill another player

There are many types of pvp, many kinds of corps, alliances, coallitions in Eve, each with their own culture and demands, some requires you to be hardcore and online when they "summons" you, some are so laid back to the point that they don't even care if you do nothing at all (in a sense). To summarize, a lot of them deals with the same "problem" that is, casual-players (which is not an actual problem imo) or should I say, time. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people don't have the time to be a hardcore Eve player, but guess what? it doesn't matter at all. Heck, I even have friends that only has the time to play barely 1hr a day and still do pvp.

Krysta Bourne wrote:
I despise getting enjoyment out of ruining another player's day.

Ruining other people's day is not a pvp'ers fault, it's the target's fault, this is a game, if a game affects your RL to the point that it ruins your whole day, then something is wrong with you and not with the person who did it or the game itself.

Does killing people's ships could **** them off? yes, absolutely. Does it have the same effect to everyone? no, absolutely not. There are people who literally don't give a damn about losing ships, if you shoot and kill those people, they probably won't even care, as long as they had fun. So you see, the base reasoning for this point came from you and not the 'other guy'.

So, what is, your real reason?

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#167 - 2012-07-12 21:58:35 UTC
I don't pvp as much as I'd like. Time commitment is the main reason. Sometimes I have to get up from the computer on short notice due to rl stuff. This is not conducive to pvp. Sometimes, I just don't want to be bothered pvp'ing solely for pvp sake. I like to have a goal/reason. Also, I'm not a big fan of voice comms which, for the most part, are a must in fleet pvp.

No good deed goes unpunished
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#168 - 2012-07-12 22:03:41 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.

So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.

Thanks. Big smile

EDIT: When I say high sec players, I am referring to what is keeping them from player combat in general. It is not specific to a location in the game. That said if you live anywhere in the game and don't engage in combat feel free to say why.

Also I am seeing a lot of other players who do participate in player combat chiming in with the 'You're doing it wrong!' posts. Please just ignore them.



Your topic says it all.
You don't understand Pve'ers, so you think that something is wrong with them.
They "choose " to play the game in a way that suits them, I have known a lot of them during my years in the game, some very good people among them.
They don't care about how you play the game, they play it their way.....



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Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#169 - 2012-07-12 22:09:45 UTC
Aless Benetek wrote:
I will preceed this by saying I LOVE MMO PVP, Open World, Death Penalties, etc. are my preference..and I love being a ganker, so I am not a care bear..but EvE PVP has stymied me. Also, the Corp I am in is one of EVE's best newb PVP training corps (very structured pilot/pvp training process) who regularly declare war so that we have plenty of war targets/pvp opportunities, even so I think EvE PVP is less than it could be....

1. Lack of Knowledge
2. Not sure where to begin
3. Ship fitting for PVP is a pain (takes too long, researching interweb for fits, flying all over to get best price, etc. - someone could make bucko ISK selling packages of 5, 10, 20, etc. pvp frigates)
4. Lack of experience and confidence - give me an MMO like Battle Ground and I will play for hours, learn leet PVP skills, and be an in your face pirate, ganker in the real game in no time...
5. Lack of accessibility - yeah folks say it's easy, drop cans in Jita for 1v1, join Red v Blue, buy 20 Rifters and just do it, etc. but...
6. Speed of access - sheeze, read the Rifter Plan or Punisher Plan blogs, the supposed "ideal" newb entry process into PVP and both directly and indirectly (between the lines), training tech II skills (he realized he needt TII auto cannons to have a chance) finding and/or tracking PVP opponents is a looooong process if you want to have any chance of surviving/learning/winning from the experience
7. PvP is complicated! - Read Rifter and Punisher Plans, from the perspective of a newish player mind you, and it doesnt even scratch the surface of PVP in Eve! and that is the "condensed" version that highlights the minute or two of excitement that happened after hours, days, weeks of skilling, stalking, waiting, etc.
7. Test Server "Battle Ground" with it's no-loss option, despite what peeps say, is not casual friendly, easy to jump into/out option, and useless to all but the experienced few. Who wants to spend weeks (months?) in the test server doing a "Rifter" plan and getting good at PVP (now if they gave me one button in-game access, provided incentives (rank, clothing, etc.), provided some structure (faction warfareish maybe), I would play the test server, etc. till my eyes bleed, ala most MMO battlegrounds)
8. Not casual player friendly
9. RvP Option for me was a blob fest - the most exciting part was the build up, FC leading us around, etc. - the actual engagement, blob vs blob was a confusing mess, and lasted like 30 secs when I was blown apart from 30-40KM, never really got up close and personal, to even see more than flashy red dots in my overview. I was left thinking - sheeze what just happened, PvP in EvE is anti-climactic.

IMHO, alot of older EvE players have other games on (DayZ, World of Tanks, Minecraft, etc.) that they play, while on vent, waiting for something to happen worth jumping back into EvE (Hey, there's a war target in system....nevermind, he left....).

Now I know it would violate the sandbox, lore and purity of EvE (like that never happens), but give me an in-game/station "Combat SImulator/Holodeck", with instant PVP access/gratification, ie. just steal WOT, make spaceships stead of tanks, and put in EvE..) and ALL players would become experienced, knowledgeable, agressive PVPers in the real EvE world in no time (I know the tactics, each country's tank types, where to hit, etc. in just a few weeks playing WoT), but i have played EvE for several months and I can't tell you what ships the Amar have, what their holes are, when to run, when to fight, etc.).

Anyway, back to playing WoT until someone in Eve Vent says we have a roam going or there is an afk miner to gank.


Thought about the VR type idea as well, quick fights, pilots slap down 100k to use it, winning side gets the escrow funds. Your ship is imaged in the VR and you can have some fun and training. Would be cool to actually be able to experiment with fits and strategy without loosing your whole fortune.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#170 - 2012-07-12 22:17:04 UTC
No hope fighting is why I don't PVP often. If I am outnumbered and it is obvious there is no hope, I am not going to fight unless pinned down. Reverse happens as well, where the other guy has no hope and flies away, like a Thrasher I was kiting in my Hound the other day. He could never close range therefore saw no point in sticking around to die. Makes sense to me. I have had several interesting fights where the other guy left out of frustration or because I was winning, but there is no stat for that one.

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Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#171 - 2012-07-12 22:25:45 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.

So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.

Thanks. Big smile

EDIT: When I say high sec players, I am referring to what is keeping them from player combat in general. It is not specific to a location in the game. That said if you live anywhere in the game and don't engage in combat feel free to say why.

Also I am seeing a lot of other players who do participate in player combat chiming in with the 'You're doing it wrong!' posts. Please just ignore them.



Your topic says it all.
You don't understand Pve'ers, so you think that something is wrong with them.
They "choose " to play the game in a way that suits them, I have known a lot of them during my years in the game, some very good people among them.
They don't care about how you play the game, they play it their way.....




How did you come to the conclusion that I think something is wrong with someone because they don't PvP?? I am simply asking those who don't why.
Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#172 - 2012-07-12 23:05:02 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:


Does killing people's ships could **** them off? yes, absolutely. Does it have the same effect to everyone? no, absolutely not. There are people who literally don't give a damn about losing ships, if you shoot and kill those people, they probably won't even care, as long as they had fun. So you see, the base reasoning for this point came from you and not the 'other guy'.

So, what is, your real reason?


Do us all a favor - go biomass youself

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Ron Maudieu
#173 - 2012-07-12 23:07:15 UTC
My fear of leaving this station.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#174 - 2012-07-12 23:14:03 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:


Does killing people's ships could **** them off? yes, absolutely. Does it have the same effect to everyone? no, absolutely not. There are people who literally don't give a damn about losing ships, if you shoot and kill those people, they probably won't even care, as long as they had fun. So you see, the base reasoning for this point came from you and not the 'other guy'.

So, what is, your real reason?


Do us all a favor - go biomass youself

Have I offended you sir? and no, why should I and what favor would that be?

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#175 - 2012-07-12 23:18:02 UTC
I came form WoW, where PvP is borke for certain classes. Rolled gallente (In other words moved to another game, where pvp was broke for certain classes.) My PvP desire was pretty much dead after Wow, but with rolling gallente as well as having lower SP then most pilots, kind of hammered the last nail in.

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Russell Casey
Doomheim
#176 - 2012-07-12 23:31:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Russell Casey
Seeing as how you can pvp without ever undocking or turning weapon mods on, you must be referring to shooting other people's spaceships :)
Krysta Bourne
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#177 - 2012-07-12 23:36:27 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:


Krysta Bourne wrote:
I despise getting enjoyment out of ruining another player's day.

Ruining other people's day is not a pvp'ers fault, it's the target's fault, this is a game, if a game affects your RL to the point that it ruins your whole day, then something is wrong with you and not with the person who did it or the game itself.

Does killing people's ships could **** them off? yes, absolutely. Does it have the same effect to everyone? no, absolutely not. There are people who literally don't give a damn about losing ships, if you shoot and kill those people, they probably won't even care, as long as they had fun. So you see, the base reasoning for this point came from you and not the 'other guy'.

So, what is, your real reason?


I gave you the real reason, you just failed to comprehend it. I came from a game where players would attack anyone without provocation or reason just to kill. Every single time they'd attack, they had better gear, more experience, more numbers, or mostly all of the above. After the hopeless slaughter these people would continue to boast about their uberawesomeness and insult the player who didn't stand a chance. I've seen this quite a bit in Eve as well.

I work over 60+ hours a week, and when my brief playtime is constantly interrupted by PvPers who can't hack a fair fight, then yes, my enjoyment of the game is ruined. No, it doesn't necessarily ruin my day, but it does make me reconsider my subscription if I can't enjoy my time on the game. So I choose not to be the one to pull that on someone else.

And claiming that it was the targets own fault for dying? Really? I have yet to see a PvP player that I'd actually consider befriending, so far my only views of them are that of the schoolyard bullies boasting about beating up the handicapped kid in school. You certainly don't help that view by blaming the victim of the attack.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#178 - 2012-07-12 23:39:50 UTC
As someone who doesn't get any enjoyment from ship to ship PvP there aren't many good reasons to engage in it.
S'No Flake
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#179 - 2012-07-12 23:44:21 UTC
Because compared with other game the combat PvP mechanics in EvE is **** up.
Because fighting in EvE doesn't feel as ... fighting ...
I don't know .. it just doesn't feel the way it is in Quake, CS, AA, BSG Online, etc.

And mostly because i like more ... way more, escaping those morons aka super PvPers camping gates in low sec, or staying at a safe point watching for combat probes closing just to warp out and make that 'elite' PvPer waste another 5min of his life to locate and kill a less than a week old player. Like killing a noob it is making them the master of PvPers.

If i want to PvP in a space ship i just log in to BSG:O jump in a raider and have 30min of real adrenaline rush.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2012-07-12 23:55:27 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
They're afraid to lose their stuff.


Great, this is what I expected here..massive finger pointing (thanks for starting us off).
Notice he didn't say "I'm afraid.." ...so, no personal knowledge. The op didn't ask, "what keeps 'them' from pvping"; he asked , "what keeps you from pvping"

As for myself.. I don't typically shoot at ships because that does not excite me. This does not mean I do not pvp. In eve there are as many ways to pvp as there are ways to play. Isk is my weapon and my reward.

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