EVE General Discussion

As I have said to other ppl, Try RvB. Always fleets up and its easy to get into fights. Lots of newer players there aswell.

There is no need to make it easier. PvP combat in frigates is very feasible. Also cruisers and battlecruisers do not really have high entry requirements.

All you have to do is: Have an honest interest in PvP and find a small PvP corp that teaches you the rest.

Since you are trading with your main, I doubt you have the the first requirement: Honest interest in becoming a PvP combat pilot. There is no shame in that, just don't demand the game to be made easier, before you actually tried it.

You are confusing me. Yes... I was talking about High-Sec PVP, the non-consensual variety. Isn't that part of general pvp?

Your problem is that you're treating it like missioning or PvE. You don't min/max PvP, there's no 'best fit' - there are only general ideas that you follow. I have never been on Sisi or run EFT. I just know that my frig should have guns, a speed mod, scram or disruptor, maybe a web, and something so I don't die instantly.

Loggin in, strapping on whatever modules I have in my hangar and fighting is exactly what I do, and I have a ton of fun doing it. I might play Eve an hour or so every other day, so I'm on the very casual side. Don't make this game a chore, just go out and have fun.

My WTs always dock up and refuse to come out. Stops me PVPing.

To a certain amount I have to agree, in the beginning as a noob your are overwhelmed and you don't understand why you are losing and later in corps it becomes an Alt fest, especially in Wardecs (I do not hide that I spent my time there), but I also have to state that some people have no fun killing other players (don't count that drunken roam 8 T1 destroyers killing a Legion was FUN). For me the best part of PVP is escaping (yes you heard right) I frigging love annoying campers :)

My 0.02 isk. Forgive me for not posting with my main, but I generally just don't do that.

I have been playing for many years, and only started the actual combat PVP quite recently. There were multiple important reasons why that was so:

1. Risks of the non-material variety.

Most importantly, it's the risk of being left alone in the face of overwhelming force and being unable to do anything about it -- it's unpleasant all by itself. I didn't start playing this game because I heard it has good PVP, I started playing it because it has spaceships. From the very beginning, as soon as I learned about them, I had those dreams of flying a triage carrier and holding up a team that can do cool things because I'm there. But finding good company in Eve is hard. The environment rewards backstabbing so much that first those dreams were shelved for a rainy day, as more and more gigantic alliance betrayals became public knowledge. Then I figured that I'm better off saving ISK until something presents itself, then I simply had too little time for a game where I barely have anyone to talk to, and went back to switching skills every few weeks and shooting up red crosses when I'm too tired to do anything more intellectually challenging, like watching a movie.

2. Risks of the material variety.

When I started out, new players had it considerably worse than now, with far less information collated and readily available on what provides an actual advantage and how all those little bonuses stack up. This made my new player experience much tougher than it could be, and ISK much harder to come by. Even now, the new player experience kind of teaches you to be very frugal with your limited playing time and the ISK that can be thereby obtained, regardless of what it actually aims to do.

3. Trouble getting PVP in the first place.

Eventually I did break down, and figured I simply have to try that fabled PVP just to know what it's like around here, and I'm now sufficiently wealthy not to care about ships or clones, so screw them, that's what they're for. I stockpiled frigs and cruisers, jumped into an empty clone, and went out roaming lowsec. During about a month spent doing that, I had a grand total of three or four encounters, all of them with teams or individual ships too strong to have a fighting chance against in the first place -- one of them kept chasing me all the way to highsec just to kill somebody. Maybe, of course, I picked the wrong time or place, but it was right next door to the infamous Rancer, so I kind of doubt it. I only ended up finding PVP in Faction Warfare much later.

4. Adrenaline rush.

I don't enjoy it as such, it interferes with my thinking. Many people don't. I got used to it relatively quickly, and I don't feel it at all when in a fleet, but PVP for the sake of PVP doesn't really appeal to me, like ruining someone's day simply for the sake of ruining it does not. What could be the benefit for which to do it, is another matter entirely, and would be highly individual for anyone who shares the same values. Approval of people I like works, if they approve of that kind of thing, and once I fell in with PVPers, that becomes my motivation -- but without it, what's the point really? I've never really been one for competitive sports. That's not to say I can't do it, and I'm doing better than some, but for it's own sake I definitely wouldn't bother.

The problem isn't that PVP is hard, or even that it's not very accessible -- the social divide in Eve between PVPers and carebears is because it's too much of "Everyone Versus Everyone" when it really should be Us Versus Someone Else in a sea of people who are otherwise neutral. Far too many people are here because they like spaceships, alone -- but not really by preference.

I agree 100%
Make war for a purpose not for fun !

this is the reason I don't pvp right now.

EVE is still a turn-based MMO - Tranquility can't tic faster than human reaction time.

J fing C, instead of making a new thread why not go to one of the UO forums and read the 12 year old threads.

Same thing, same answer.

Some people like to PvP, some people like to PvE and some like both.

You can no more force a person to like a different game style than you can force a person to like a food they don't like.

/facepalm

The way to get more PvPers in the game is to make PvP great, trying to draw in PvEers is no fun, unless your just a low sec gate camper farming nuubs, but that is not PvP.