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Devalued ISHUKONE Shirt? CCP Marketing Malpractice? [UPDATE]

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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#541 - 2012-07-09 16:19:00 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
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CCP, please provide us with your responses so we can all move on. Having to read hundreds of trollin posts... oh man...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#542 - 2012-07-09 16:21:33 UTC
So you agree, then. That's awfully kind of you, especially after having been banging on about how they ruined your investment. One would have thought you meant compensation for yourself after all that, rather than for those who lost actual currency. Lol
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#543 - 2012-07-09 16:23:42 UTC
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Still waiting for Dev's response.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#544 - 2012-07-09 16:24:32 UTC
Tippia wrote:
So you agree, then. That's awfully kind of you, especially after having been banging on about how they ruined your investment. One would have thought you meant compensation for yourself after all that, rather than for those who lost actual currency. Lol


There must be some medical term for people who continue to talk to people who are, in no uncertain terms, not listening to them.

Mr Epeen Cool
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#545 - 2012-07-09 16:26:26 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
There must be some medical term for people who continue to talk to people who are, in no uncertain terms, not listening to them.
It's not really a medical term, but the adjective you're looking for is “patient”.

Anyway, it's nice to see that the OP has so changed his tune and are now looking out for the interest of others rather than himself.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#546 - 2012-07-09 16:30:01 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Tippia wrote:
So you agree, then. That's awfully kind of you, especially after having been banging on about how they ruined your investment. One would have thought you meant compensation for yourself after all that, rather than for those who lost actual currency. Lol


There must be some medical term for people who continue to talk to people who are, in no uncertain terms, not listening to them.

Mr Epeen Cool


Why did you have to quote Tippia the Troll? Now I ended up reading his senseless posting. =(

Still seeking for Devs' response that was promised a week and half ago.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#547 - 2012-07-09 16:41:24 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
There must be some medical term for people who continue to talk to people who are, in no uncertain terms, not listening to them.
It's not really a medical term, but the adjective you're looking for is “patient”.


I would lean more towards arrogant, or more likely, narcissistic. Because you are not really trying to talk to him. You are just being sure that everyone reading knows you are right. Because you are always right. Right?

Mr Epeen Cool
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#548 - 2012-07-09 16:49:08 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I would lean more towards arrogant, or more likely, narcissistic. Because you are not really trying to talk to him.
Quite incorrect. He has already shown that he reads what I write so that excuse is rather spent. I'm really trying to make him answer the questions he apparently can't answer and engage him in a discussion to see if he has any kind of arguments to offer.

He's “not listening” in much the same was as sticking your fingers in your ears and going “la-la-la” isn't listening… viz. not at all — it's just a desperate attempt at avoiding the unavoidable.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#549 - 2012-07-10 03:26:36 UTC
still waiting for CCP Devs' response.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#550 - 2012-07-10 04:20:16 UTC
Keep waiting.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#551 - 2012-07-10 04:25:21 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Keep waiting.


All your postings do nothing, but to incite annoyance from the parties adversely affected by CCP's mistake.

I believe that falls in line with the very definition of being a troll and as such, I must "ignore" your postings as well.

Please do keep the bumps up though. I can't be on 24/7.
Pipa Porto
#552 - 2012-07-10 04:57:33 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Keep waiting.


All your postings do nothing, but to incite annoyance from the parties adversely affected by CCP's mistake.

I believe that falls in line with the very definition of being a troll and as such, I must "ignore" your postings as well.

Please do keep the bumps up though. I can't be on 24/7.



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12. Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited.
Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or text or nonsensical posts that have no substance and are often designed to annoy other forum users. This includes “first” and “go back to [another game]” posts. Bumping posts in order to keep them near the top of the list is also prohibited. Petitions or "/signed" posts are a version of bumping and likewise are not permitted. Pyramid quoting is a response to a forum thread that contains the quotes of four or more previous posters, sometimes with additional spaces added unnecessarily. Posts of this nature are not conducive to community spirit and are unwelcome.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#553 - 2012-07-10 05:18:48 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
12. Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited.
Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or text or nonsensical posts that have no substance and are often designed to annoy other forum users. This includes “first” and “go back to [another game]” posts. Bumping posts in order to keep them near the top of the list is also prohibited. Petitions or "/signed" posts are a version of bumping and likewise are not permitted. Pyramid quoting is a response to a forum thread that contains the quotes of four or more previous posters, sometimes with additional spaces added unnecessarily. Posts of this nature are not conducive to community spirit and are unwelcome.


Too bad you didn't find that rule before you were banned. People might have actually taken you seriously.

Or not.

Mr Epeen Cool
Pipa Porto
#554 - 2012-07-10 05:33:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Mr Epeen wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
12. Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited.
Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or text or nonsensical posts that have no substance and are often designed to annoy other forum users. This includes “first” and “go back to [another game]” posts. Bumping posts in order to keep them near the top of the list is also prohibited. Petitions or "/signed" posts are a version of bumping and likewise are not permitted. Pyramid quoting is a response to a forum thread that contains the quotes of four or more previous posters, sometimes with additional spaces added unnecessarily. Posts of this nature are not conducive to community spirit and are unwelcome.


Too bad you didn't find that rule before you were banned. People might have actually taken you seriously.

Or not.

Mr Epeen Cool


I for the most part posted off topic, substantial threads. Just because they were locked claiming "Spam" doesn't mean they fit that definition. They were against the rules, sure, but they weren't Spam

And CCP seems to have taken us seriously. So it seems to have worked.


Anyway, this is off topic (like most of the OP's recent posts).

OP: What is the appropriate recompense for something given away for free?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#555 - 2012-07-10 07:46:32 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Pipa Porto wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
12. Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited.
Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or text or nonsensical posts that have no substance and are often designed to annoy other forum users. This includes “first” and “go back to [another game]” posts. Bumping posts in order to keep them near the top of the list is also prohibited. Petitions or "/signed" posts are a version of bumping and likewise are not permitted. Pyramid quoting is a response to a forum thread that contains the quotes of four or more previous posters, sometimes with additional spaces added unnecessarily. Posts of this nature are not conducive to community spirit and are unwelcome.


Too bad you didn't find that rule before you were banned. People might have actually taken you seriously.

Or not.

Mr Epeen Cool


I for the most part posted off topic, substantial threads. Just because they were locked claiming "Spam" doesn't mean they fit that definition. They were against the rules, sure, but they weren't Spam

And CCP seems to have taken us seriously. So it seems to have worked.


Anyway, this is off topic (like most of the OP's recent posts).

OP: What is the appropriate recompense for something given away for free?


CCP Devs already mentioned that they have devised a plan that would provide a fair compensation for all the affected parties. It's just that CCP Devs were probably too busy with Alliance Tournaments to implement that plan.

I am just here, asking CCP to expedite on providing a response that was promised a week and half ago. Having been promised a response, I think we are entitled to be more vigilant in asking CCP since they do tend to forget these matters.

I suggest that you wait for CCP's response and question the fairness of CCP's decision then. I've provided my opinion/answers and you guys have provided the same for the past two weeks in this 27 page thread. If you take the time to read everything, all our answers are given and we are just fighting over and over again because of our differences in value system or our understanding of marketing promotions and alike practices.

Once again, I suggest that you wait for CCP's response before spamming another repetitious "stuff."
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#556 - 2012-07-10 08:31:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
The Antiquarian wrote:
CCP Devs already mentioned that they have devised a plan that would provide a fair compensation for all the affected parties.
Again, no. You're reading an awful lot into a sentence that mentions none of those things.

They're trying to “formulate a plant that's as fair to as many as possible”. Compensation might be an outcome; it might also not. It might affect everyone; it might also not. Like I said, one fair deal would be to reimburse those who had to pay AUR for a free item. It could also be fair to just leave it as it is: you may have lost some value, but you got your stuff for free — they had to pay for it, but now it's worth a bit more than when it was in the store. You feel very strongly that you should be compensated; we're asking you why and for what, and you have problems formulating an answer. This does not bode well.

Quote:
It's just that CCP Devs were probably too busy with Alliance Tournaments to implement that plan.
Nah. They're probably too busy with vacation. The ATs aren't really something that ties up dev resources (aside from appearing in the studio segments, but that won't start until next week).

Quote:
I've provided my opinion/answers and you guys have provided the same for the past two weeks in this 27 page thread.
Not really, no. You've provided some opinion but very little in the way of answers or arguments to back it up — you've mostly offered deflections, red herrings, the odd straw man and ad hominem, and a fair bit of spam and trolling. You've continuously misread (or skipped) what others have written and just refused to stay on topic.

You're so locked into a an outcome that you feel must happen that you are apparently unable to discuss what might and what should happen, and the reasons for it. Dogmatism isn't particularly persuasive…
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#557 - 2012-07-10 08:36:35 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:

I am just here, asking CCP to expedite on providing a response that was promised a week and half ago. Having been promised a response, I think we are entitled to be more vigilant in asking CCP since they do tend to forget these matters.


Given the response time for most petitions, waiting a week and a half for a response is about par, you should be more patient.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#558 - 2012-07-10 08:42:55 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:

I am just here, asking CCP to expedite on providing a response that was promised a week and half ago. Having been promised a response, I think we are entitled to be more vigilant in asking CCP since they do tend to forget these matters.


Given the response time for most petitions, waiting a week and a half for a response is about par, you should be more patient.


You are right, but I am just afraid that CCP Devs, overran by work and Alliance Tournaments, will forget to do anything about it. That's why I am asking for responses. This is CCP Navigator's forum response that we got on June 28th, which was approximately a week and half ago:

"I will aim to provide an update tomorrow on exactly what we plan to do. That plan is almost final, however, I do not want to state something which may change in the next 24 hours."

They made it sound as if the plan was finalized pending a review, but obviously that isn't the case.
CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
#559 - 2012-07-10 13:53:02 UTC
Ok, so here is the much delayed update. I am sorry that this has taken so long but we needed to run through a seriously complicated process to track down each unique shirt issued before June 25.

So here are the steps that will happen over the next few days to finalize this issue:

1, We will issue the following people a 'Mens Field Marshall Coat':

* Those players who took the PLEX offer in October and kept their shirt based on its exclusivity.
* Players who bought the shirt from an original owner on the basis that it would be an exclusive item. Again, if the owner sold it on then the person who ultimately ended up with the shirt based on owning an exclusive item.

if you received the shirt and sold it or traded for a profit you will not receive this new item.

2, We are updating the item description for this jacket and this will be deployed in the next day or two. Once that deployment takes place we will redeem the item to all relevant account holders. Once this happens i will update the thread letting you know that the item is ready to be redeemed.

There are some edge cases involved with this of players who may have their shirt stored in secure containers or containers in space. These players will need to submit a petition to verify ownership.

It is difficult to give the perfect resolution in cases of this nature and we feel that this resolution benefits the greater number.

Thank you for your patience during this time.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#560 - 2012-07-10 14:43:39 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Ok, so here is the much delayed update. I am sorry that this has taken so long but we needed to run through a seriously complicated process to track down each unique shirt issued before June 25.

So here are the steps that will happen over the next few days to finalize this issue:

1, We will issue the following people a 'Mens Field Marshall Coat':

* Those players who took the PLEX offer in October and kept their shirt based on its exclusivity.
* Players who bought the shirt from an original owner on the basis that it would be an exclusive item. Again, if the owner sold it on then the person who ultimately ended up with the shirt based on owning an exclusive item.

if you received the shirt and sold it or traded for a profit you will not receive this new item.

2, We are updating the item description for this jacket and this will be deployed in the next day or two. Once that deployment takes place we will redeem the item to all relevant account holders. Once this happens i will update the thread letting you know that the item is ready to be redeemed.

There are some edge cases involved with this of players who may have their shirt stored in secure containers or containers in space. These players will need to submit a petition to verify ownership.

It is difficult to give the perfect resolution in cases of this nature and we feel that this resolution benefits the greater number.

Thank you for your patience during this time.

What about the Red/Gold female Executor coat that you also messed around with?

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