Science & Industry

i forsee ice and mercoxit bonuses vanishing.

it would be thoroughly stupid on ccp's part to give us all these nice options of more yield, more tank, more cargo and then say you can ONLY effectively mine ice/mercox in a specific ship.

Hmmm how does it feel to be wrong? I am pretty excited about using the new retriever/skiff. When I am mining I am usually doing something much more fun on another screen, like pew pew. I have sound on so I don't need a super tank, I hear someone locking me and I warp to station (since I am already aligned out). The large ore bay is appealing to me, cause when I am schoolin fools in PvP I can't be bothered running back and forth between station every 2 min.

Show me on your Hulk where the Nerf-Bat touched you.

As i said the Retriever/Skiff is designed for afk mining, which i don't mind people doing, i just find it strange ccp decides to reward this style of play.

I understand your point about the large cargospace being more ideal for AFK-miners. However, there are alot more people playing the game than just AFK'ers.

There are several people playing the game that do not have alts or 2nd accounts. I have RL friends who play the game but don't want to keep two accounts running, but they enjoy logging into the game and go mining in belts to gather some ore/minerals to either go sell, or to give to me so I can build things they require, such as mining crystals or ammunition.

Having a mining barge with a bigger cargo hold enables them to stay in the belts and mine without being punished for supplying the EVE market with the raw materials that keep everything going. Noone, and I mean NOONE enjoyes warping back and forth to a station every 5 minutes because the cargohold is full.

That is the very reason why people start second accounts in the first place... to avoid the jetcan mining and the constant warping.

And yes, the obvious argument is, get a friend to haul for you... but lets be realistic. Would you want to split your profits in half by having someone sit and stare at the jetcan? And would you be the one sitting there staring at the jetcan for half profits on an ore/mineral sale if you could rather be out there doing missions or mining yourself?

Besides, if you really want to afk mine you can just stick a mining laser on a transport ship, survey the largest rock and fire it up. That's what alot of the afk miners do anyways. Most other miners are actively moving ore onto their hauler alts, or they have exhumers with large holds and just fill those up then warp to stations.

Even though a miner might look AFK to you as you swing by a belt in your combat fitted ship that doesn't mean they are AFK. They are filling up their cans, or their 10-13.000m3 cargoholds... giving the exhumers larger cargoholds just means a convenience for those that actually take the time to train up exhumers and take the time flying to belts to mine.

I could just as easily turn it around and say that sentry drones are designed for AFK mission running. Dual-LAR2 Dominix with T2 sentries is just as AFK (perhaps even more since you don't have to switch targets like a miner has to when the rocks break) as anyone doing mining in an exhumer with a large cargohold. Sentry drones might not be as efficient as actively shooting stuff, but efficiency is hardly then goal when AFK'ing anything (hence why we have Badgers with Mining lasers on them).

glad i'm not the only person that thinks the mack/ret is going to be borderline useless.

the mack won't even be good at afk mining, the roids will pop[in high sec] before the ore bay is full.



right now a hulk can easily fill 3 jet cans in an hour. swapping to an industrial to haul will cost you about 1 cycle an hour if you're solo mining, which is 1/20 cycles, so if the gap in yield is over 5% then the hulk will outmine the mackinaw assuming you insist on hauling every hour (which is what i do).

Or at least 2 cycles of all 3 lasers with maxed skills maybe.

except asteroids in high sec will pop in like 2 cycles which is the same as a hulk's cargo capacity, so you may as well just use the hulk because when you have to swap asteroids you can take the extra 4 seconds and empty your cargo. so you won't gain any benefit from switching. people keep seeming to forget that asteroids with ore in them aren't like ice mining where you can sit shooting the same blob for hours on end...

i agree on the hulk point though, if goons keep running permageddon it just makes sense to use a skiff in high sec. rather lose a bit of yield than a hulk.

6-8 cycles in a ret vs 6-8 cycles in a hulk is a VERY different quantity of ore...

true they get a much different amount of ore but your forgetting my key points of the cargo bay and the fact that i won't have to move ore into a jet can and worry about it getting stolen out of my can. Much less ore yes but im also using a ship much less expensive hull.

For me the cargo is a very nice bonus for my alt and actually makes mining appealing instead of having to look over your shoulder constantly thinking some small ship will come kill you in 8 seconds with no trouble to them at all.

but hey we all are allowed our opinions right?