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Destruction Testing the New Wardec System (Ganks Included - Free wardec inside)

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#261 - 2012-07-02 15:30:53 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Well, what can I say, if thats your main then you have my pity really "zim." According to Eve kills and Battleclinic you haven't been involved in any kind of combat action since February 2010 (excepting the novice frigate+pod you lost in the summer of 2010) I guess that means you are either incredibly out of touch with things actually happening in game or simply telling fibs about the status of your actual "main."

Neither.

Jade Constantine wrote:
This Warfare and Tactics forum is really for people who play the game and get involved with well ... warfare and tactics. You haven't been involved with either for over 2 years.

You're wrong, but please continue to fling random insults at me. The more you do this, instead of answering pointed questions, the more I'm convinced that you've lost this discussion and just wants to try every troll trick in the book to get me to go away.

PS: It won't help.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#262 - 2012-07-02 16:08:35 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
This is my main.


Well, what can I say, if thats your main then you have my pity really "zim." According to Eve kills and Battleclinic you haven't been involved in any kind of combat action since February 2010 (excepting the novice frigate+pod you lost in the summer of 2010) I guess that means you are either incredibly out of touch with things actually happening in game or simply telling fibs about the status of your actual "main."

This Warfare and Tactics forum is really for people who play the game and get involved with well ... warfare and tactics. You haven't been involved with either for over 2 years.


I'm going to state the obvious: Not everyone uploads their kill API to Eve-kill.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#263 - 2012-07-02 16:38:35 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
This is my main.


Well, what can I say, if thats your main then you have my pity really "zim." According to Eve kills and Battleclinic you haven't been involved in any kind of combat action since February 2010 (excepting the novice frigate+pod you lost in the summer of 2010) I guess that means you are either incredibly out of touch with things actually happening in game or simply telling fibs about the status of your actual "main."

This Warfare and Tactics forum is really for people who play the game and get involved with well ... warfare and tactics. You haven't been involved with either for over 2 years.


I'm going to state the obvious: Not everyone uploads their kill API to Eve-kill.


Most people who get killed (or kill) that person do however.

I've never uploaded a kill to battleclinic in my capsuleer career but they still have a pretty accurate picture of my combat record. The point I'm making to "zim" here is that either he's not posting on his main (lets call it his "combat main" perhaps - or he really hasn't experienced the Eve combat or war system for over two years.

Now I think its more likely he's simply not wanting to let on who his main is - but that being the case one needs to wonder why that actually is.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#264 - 2012-07-02 16:44:21 UTC
Anyhow you seem to mistake Goonswarm for an alliance that cares about killmails.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#265 - 2012-07-02 16:54:14 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Anyhow you seem to mistake Goonswarm for an alliance that cares about killmails.


Not at all, I'm merely pointing out that you are an alliance that like's to encourage people to "post with their mains" and "zim" is either not doing this or posting with a main that hasn't experienced the eve online combat system for over two years. Since in recent posts he's been getting rather hot under the collar and personally-motivated I felt it would be nice to know who he actually is.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#266 - 2012-07-02 17:36:16 UTC
It's his main, get over it. On the other hand, this isn't my main, who has a 3 months forum ban.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#267 - 2012-07-02 17:38:56 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
It's his main, get over it. On the other hand, this isn't my main, who has a 3 months forum ban.


Okay so if its his main then he's a player with practically zero experience of hisec wars and no experience whatsoever of eve online combat system in the last two years. That was kind of the point I was making.

As for your main - if you got forum banned for 3 months you really shouldn't be posting at all.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#268 - 2012-07-02 18:31:58 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
he's a player with practically zero experience of hisec wars



You don't say
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#269 - 2012-07-02 18:49:55 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
and "zim" is either not doing this or posting with a main that hasn't experienced the eve online combat system for over two years.

All you need to know is I've been fighting in virtually every war GSF has been in since before losing delve, querious and period basis. And I have a lot more kills than you have forum likes, and fewer losses, total, than you have on your forum account.

None of which matters one iota, but then again you seem to think we care about a few hisec losses, so I guess one follows the other.

Jade Constantine wrote:
I felt it would be nice to know who he actually is.

So you can find something else to try to insult me with, while derailing the thread from your complete inability to answer questions such as "where are these

Jade Constantine wrote:
Okay so if its his main then he's a player with practically zero experience of hisec wars and no experience whatsoever of eve online combat system in the last two years. That was kind of the point I was making.

You know how it goes with the old saying, "if you assume"...

Yep. You just did make an ass out of yourself.

Jade Constantine wrote:
Since in recent posts he's been getting rather hot under the collar and personally-motivated

There you go again, either wishing for something to be true to the point of believing it, or just posting it as if it was true anyways.

As for "getting hot under the collar", I bring you:
Jade Constantine wrote:
We're not going to get very far in a discussion if you insist on telling lies and making ridiculous statements in your first sentence.

[...]

As I said, unless you can post truthfully for a least one sentence (the first one) there isn't going to be a discussion. You need to accept that you have a pretty terrible reputation at the moment "zim". Your credibility is at an all time low

[...]

If the limit of your intellect is reached with "no you are" responses then there isn't much more to say on your issue.


Yep, that looks like the posts of a calm person.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#270 - 2012-07-02 19:25:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Lord Zim wrote:

All you need to know is I've been fighting in virtually every war GSF has been in since before losing delve, querious and period basis. And I have a lot more kills than you have forum likes, and fewer losses, total, than you have on your forum account.


So were you lying earlier then when you said this account was your main? (because "lord zim" certainly has not done anything of the kind you are speaking of here). As pointed out "lord zim" is a virtual nobody with no combat experience of any kind in the last two years and nothing much to speak of for a couple of months total he did play actively in space.

If your main character is somebody else why aren't you using him to conduct this conversation through?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#271 - 2012-07-02 19:32:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

All you need to know is I've been fighting in virtually every war GSF has been in since before losing delve, querious and period basis. And I have a lot more kills than you have forum likes, and fewer losses, total, than you have on your forum account.

So where you lying earlier then when you said this account was your main? (because "lord zim" certainly has not done anything of the kind you are speaking of here)

Nope, no lies.

Jade Constantine wrote:
As pointed out "lord zim" is a virtual nobody with no combat experience of any kind in the last two years and nothing much to speak of for a couple of months total he did play actively in space.

If your main character is somebody else why aren't you using him to conduct this conversation through?

I'll let you stew on this for a while, I'm sure you won't come to the correct conclusion though.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#272 - 2012-07-02 19:44:14 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
I'll let you stew on this for a while, I'm sure you won't come to the correct conclusion though.


Well its difficult to avoid one of two possible conclusions - either you are telling fibs and have achieved none of the things you have boasted of (and of course to counter this suggestion you'd need to provide some compelling evidence (ie killboard records) OR you have achieved these things but not on "lord zim" - which would mean you had a reason for not using your main identity to conduct this conversation (what that might be we can only imagine.)


The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#273 - 2012-07-02 19:51:07 UTC
Maybe he flies Logi and never dies. Maybe he's a titan pilot. Hell if I know, Lord Zim is his name on goon forums and comms. Thus, it's his main, deal with it.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#274 - 2012-07-02 19:56:09 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Well its difficult to avoid one of two possible conclusions - either you are telling fibs and have achieved none of the things you have boasted of (and of course to counter this suggestion you'd need to provide some compelling evidence (ie killboard records)

I've done every one of the things I've "boasted of", although stating facts is hardly "boasting". vOv

Jade Constantine wrote:
OR you have achieved these things but not on "lord zim" - which would mean you had a reason for not using your main identity to conduct this conversation (what that might be we can only imagine.)

Lord Zim is the first char I ever made, hence it's "my main". It's the char I registered with on goon forums etc, it's "my main".

The idea of switching char based on which forum I'm posting is strikes me as ludicrous. Should I switch to my jita char just to talk in MD, because it's the char I do market fuckery with? Then switch to some char which I do lowsec PVP with when discussing lowsec FW? Then switch to my nullsec industry char to talk about how industry sucks in nullsec? Then switch to my hisec industry char to talk about how underpowered hisec industry is with regards to blueprints?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#275 - 2012-07-02 19:58:52 UTC
Bottom Line: Post KB stats or STFU!
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#276 - 2012-07-02 20:27:33 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Maybe he flies Logi and never dies. Maybe he's a titan pilot. Hell if I know, Lord Zim is his name on goon forums and comms. Thus, it's his main, deal with it.


Well he claimed to have more kills than I had forum likes - he doesn't have that on "lord Zim" so he'd better post his real main who achieved these things or people will be right to consider he's just telling fibs and over-inflating his record.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#277 - 2012-07-02 20:45:02 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Maybe he flies Logi and never dies. Maybe he's a titan pilot. Hell if I know, Lord Zim is his name on goon forums and comms. Thus, it's his main, deal with it.


Well he claimed to have more kills than I had forum likes - he doesn't have that on "lord Zim" so he'd better post his real main who achieved these things or people will be right to consider he's just telling fibs and over-inflating his record.

So let me see if I've got this right. We're having a discussion (if by "having a discussion" we mean that you're saying something, I (and lots of other people) find information which points to the contrary, and you just go into an evade/ignore/insult routine, but anyway), and you think knowing my kb stats will change any part of this in any way, shape or form?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#278 - 2012-07-02 21:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Lord Zim wrote:
We're having a discussion (if by "having a discussion" we mean that you're saying something, I (and lots of other people) find information which points to the contrary, and you just go into an evade/ignore/insult routine, but anyway), and you think knowing my kb stats will change any part of this in any way, shape or form?


Well the issue is your credibility "zim" - when challenged about other people who share your view you managed to come up with a TEST alliance poster who was anything but neutral. A few days ago you accused me of lying over the goon FW exploit leak only to have to go back on that rather hilariously - and now you are claiming to be a top notch combat pilot in eve while your posting identity shows you haven't done any actual combat for 2 years (and having a pretty terrible record at that point).

The thing with our discussion here is you keep on making up things you claim I said and trying to pull strawman style argumentation that I'm just not prepared to let you get away with. I've told you many times you need to make clear statements in your own voice and stop trying to editorialize others - but you make no attempt to obey these common conventions of debate and keep slithering around the point (exactly like somebody with something to hide in fact).

Hence we return to your credibility - and since it appears you are now claiming to be some mysterious uberpvper (but you refuse to prove this by linking some actual KB stats) we're left doubting your integrity once again.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#279 - 2012-07-02 22:04:14 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Well the issue is your credibility "zim" - when challenged about other people who share your view you managed to come up with a TEST alliance poster who was anything but neutral.

Again you're completely ignoring CCP, CSM and everyone else in all of the threads you've been involved in over wardecs who said, point blank, that you were making **** up.

Jade Constantine wrote:
A few days ago you accused me of lying over the goon FW exploit leak only to have to go back on that rather hilariously - and now you are claiming to be a top notch combat pilot in eve while your posting identity shows you haven't done any actual combat for 2 years (and having a pretty terrible record at that point).

I'm not claiming to be a "top notch" PVPer, you're claiming I'm claiming to be one. I'm just stating facts, saying I have more killmails than you have forum likes because you insist on claiming I've done no PVP since early 2010.

Jade Constantine wrote:
The thing with our discussion here is you keep on making up things you claim I said and trying to pull strawman style argumentation that I'm just not prepared to let you get away with.

I'm not making up anything, and claiming I do so isn't going to make it so.

Jade Constantine wrote:
I've told you many times you need to make clear statements in your own voice and stop trying to editorialize others - but you make no attempt to obey these common conventions of debate and keep slithering around the point.

This is pretty fresh, coming from someone who's done very little the past few pages but quote what is probably the least inflammatory sentence in any given post, write up some evasion and an insult, and leave it at that.

If that's how you "obey common conventions of debate", then it sounds like those "common conventions of debate" needs updating, and I'm doing well in ignoring said common conventions.

Jade Constantine wrote:
Hence we return to your credibility - and since it appears you are now claiming to be some mysterious uberpvper (but you refuse to prove this by linking some actual KB stats) we're left doubting your integrity once again.

Again, you're the one claiming I'm claiming to be some "mysterious uberpvper", not me. I'm just saying that I've got more killmails than you have forum likes, because you keep harping on about ... uh, I dunno, how I can't be in a discussion because I'm not PVPing on my main, and that this somehow "hurts my credibility"? I mean, I know elitist PVP corps put a high value on good killboard stats, but this is an interesting combination.

I don't suppose posting killboard stats would do anything, anything at all, to make you post less like a petulant child, would it? In fact, I'll hazard a guess it'll probably just make you worse, because you'll be pouting like one. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#280 - 2012-07-02 22:08:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Lord Zim wrote:
I'm just saying that I've got more killmails than you have forum likes


So go ahead and prove it and we can go on with the debate.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom