Warfare & Tactics

As I think we all know pretty well by now (and has been repeatedly told you in this and other threads) the value of this war and the "face kicking" Mittani has undoubtedly received over the failed "ministry of love" initiative is in the lack of success achieved by an extremely well-funded and vast alliance taking on a ragged-coalition of hisec trade hub raiders. Its not about the isk. Its about the loss of face and humiliation at the hands of despised "pubbies" in empire.

As for weeping. Seriously "zim" - you have done nothing but weep now for weeks on this issue.

Well this just became personal

FYI 15bn in losses isn't a "kick in the face" by a stretch, that's like losing 60 Maelstroms in one fight, which is not uncommon. Almost half of that 15bn is some random dude hauling his personal reaction stuff to Jita. It's less than the mineral cost of a supercarrier. Keep in mind that this is over the course of an entire month.

As you'll note I've said MANY times before in this thread - its not about the absolute value of ISK destroyed (which yes isn't much in comparison to the fruits of a broken 0.0 moon-mineral-fountain these past years) - its about the psychology of kicking a bully in the face when he expected to be the one doing the actual kicking. The important thing is the ratio 2b to 15b - it represents that the largest alliance in the game as directed by the self-appointed "greatest spymaster in the game" can't achieve griefing objectives and instead gets beaten up by a loose affiliation of "empire pubbies".

(if you guys weren't quite so cult indoctrinated on the mittani coolaid you'd probably even see the funny side.)

So let's see, first you've tried to claim that you singlehanded got mittani to force CCP to make the wardec changes after a week or whatever it was of "humiliation". We've debunked this as wishful thinking and a fallacy. Then you tried to claim that what you actually said all along was that the honda accord caused this, we've debunked this as an outright lie, we've debunked the claim that the honda accord had anything to do with making CCP do the changes (apart from being a datapoint in how pubbies abused the system), and we've debunked your theory of us "losing face" and "humiliation at the hands of despised 'pubbies' in empire".

What's next?


ITT: posting facts and debunking fallacies and lies is crying. Literally jade logic right there.

Nope, this is you having delusions of grandeur and thinking everyone (except us evil goonies) thinks the same way you do.


Nope, this is a lie. The abuse was to let everyone and their dog in on the war for 0 isk. CCP started working on changing this mechanic You know this, you've been told this numerous times, yet you keep on harping on about how "you're all wrong and I'm the only one with the facts!"


You've claimed that you were the cause of the change. This is you having delusions of grandeur, and has been proven false.

When the claim you were the cause of the change were proven false, you changed your story to claim that you'd said the honda accord was the cause. This is a lie, and has been proven a lie.

You've claimed that CCP were making this change because of goon pressure. This is a lie, and has been proven a lie.

You've claimed that goons whined to CCP about this. This is a lie, and has been proven a lie.

You then claimed that goons ordered the CSM to whine to CCP about this. This is a lie, and has been proven a lie.

You've claimed that "goons have written 1000 whiny posts in 24 hours", yet a large majority of those posts you refer to weren't written by goons, i.e. a logical fallacy.

You've claimed that "goon leadership is scared of you", yet every time you've been pushed on this issue, you ignore it or handwave it away with "everyone knows what you really mean".

You've claimed that we've taken a "hellova PR kicking over this one", by pointing to a blog written by someone who hates goons, which is hosted on the servers of another guy who hates goons.


It's funny you should say that, when the only one that's been slithering, wriggling, deflecting, evading, avoiding, ignoring, insinuating and personally insulting, has been you.


"guys guys it doesn't matter what everyone else in the goon leadership says, if the mittani doesn't personally come here and talk to me, I'll be very cross and keep claiming he lost face which will be proof that he lost face!"

And again, evade and insult. Quite literally an admission that you're wrong, I'm right, but you're too shamefaced to admit it.

Deflection, and completely ignoring everyone else (including CCP and the CSM as a whole, not just normal players) who said that your hat were made of tinfoil.


Pretty sure test care just as little about some hisec losses as we do.


You could try the truth. Such as saying "I was wrong and I've been backpedalling ever since", for example.

Au contraire, you're the one who's been shown to have an ... interesting relationship with "the truth" since you started this thread.


You've claimed they're crass editiorialization or simple misrepresentation of the opposing position, but all you've ever done is claim this, you've provided nothing to substantiate your claims.


Nope.


And there we go with your wishful interpretation of reality again.

I've asked you at least 3 times, with nary an answer: if we (or mittani, or goon leadership, whatever) cared so much about this hisec war and ~our honoure~, why didn't we send forth the burn jita brigade to cockslap you (and your shambolic "friends") across the face?


This is my main.