EVE General Discussion

Honestly, I don't even get what you'd do in the stations without any gameplay? Role play?
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If CCP history is any indication this means you will never ever see any additional WiS. And it will be the strangest unfinished content experience ever. Most unfinished Eve content can go unnoticed unless you made the mistake of making it your primary focus. Most players for example aren't constantly reminded that FW was never finished, that POSs have been broken since they were introduced or that WHs never got all the content promised there. But every time we log in we will now be reminded of that "crazy idea CCP started on where you would actually be able to walk around in the stations". That thing they worked on for 5 years that delivered the only single character trapped in a single room experience in MMO history". The thing that makes the NEX store and their attempt at microtransactions the biggest face plant in next generatition of MMO revenue models.

What CCP doesn't get is the EXPERIENCE of walking in stations is the fun! We don't need "game play" there to make us just want to interact socially as avatars in a space station enviroment. For example, for me to just be able to meet with my corp in a large private meeting room would be fantastic. Give me some spacestation eye candy I can share with my friends and you can stop and ponder "game play" to make it better, but putting me in my uncustomizable CQ prison cell every log in just says "fail".

So sadly what I saw in the winter expansion list was already more than they can deliver (and they even implied more would be added to the list) so they did what we begged them not to do and set us up for dissappointment.

So this winter we get the balancing we should have gotten a year ago, improvments to FW (which can't amount to much in the short time they have), some capital nerfs that should have been in a patch not an expansion, some likely randomization of 0.0 by mucking with local and making SOV even more confusing.

Net effect to myself or the members of my alliance is no decernable changes. I expect that will really be what most Eve players ultimately get from this expansion.

I think what this really says is don't expect anything new or cool in Eve, because CCP can't commit to finishing anything. The moment someone starts to whine they rethink their plans and vision and chase a new random direction. Anything more than tweaking some constants in a table that determines, damage, timers, resists, yields, speeds or ranges is beyond their capabilites to deliver in a complete and functional manner.

They have too much on thier plate and the ability to focus that you'd expect from a kitten in a ball or yarn store. They still don't graps that loud voices in these forums or from a hand full of people elected by special interest groups do not reflect the actual player base.

Steve Jobs stated "It's really hard to design products by focus groups. A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them". I thought CCP got that once but it is clear now they don't have the steel the stick to their guns and deliver anyting other than what some screamy focus group whines for.

Eve will eventually die by committee. Right now I expect folks in CCP are meeting to decide what kind of fire we want..

"When you’ve been in marketing as long as I have, you'll know that before any new product can be developed it has to be properly researched. We’ve got to find out what people want from fire, how they relate to it, what sort of image it has for them."

And Eve freezes to death while they sort that out..

Issler

Why do you want a feature in a game i.e. WiS that has absolutely no information about it? At this stage all we know about WiS is that you can walk in stations and something about smuggling. That is it. You can't actually practically do ANYTHING in WiS. That is what I suspect, based upon CCP Solomon saying "the Establishments feature was… well, not that fun.". They, like you focused on the awesomeness of the feature, NOT what the feature enables people to do. They have got WiS totally backwards, figure out what WiS will bring to the game, then build WiS around that gameplay. Not put in feature and hope you think of something to do with it later.

Alot of WiS people including myself, didn't have the ergent need for all the bells and whistles of Establishments. Simply being able to meet your Corpmates in "person" would have been enough to chew on for a few months while they figured the rest out.

Hope we didn't completely switch to the left now......

That is what I needed to hear. Accounts cancelled.

If you think that this backpeddeling is good for EVE then you're wrong. This Game hasn't Evolve in years. CCP excuse was, that they where working on WIS, which was ok for me and many others.

What we got was not Walking in Station but Walking in a single Room. Thats why so many people where upset, the constant lieing together with the Itemshop and the poor performence.

CCP told everyone this summer that the multiplayer part for Incarna will be deliverd with the Winterexpansion, and now 2 months before the Deadline they dump it?

The majority of complaints recently have been because people dont want Incarna and want CCP to concentrate on spaceships.

The reality is that all this work on Incarna was going to result in very little gameplay, all Ive heard is smuggling and gambling, both of which seem to be minigames at best.

As confirmed above it wont be appearing anytime soon which is good news as I just dont see what it would have added and when the door opened and there was little to do there would have been further justified uproar.

This is what bullies and tyrants do. Force the place around them to be the way they want then when everybody else who doesn't like it left, they can say "look 100% of people think like us".