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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#341 - 2012-06-28 19:05:28 UTC
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
You need to provide an explanation why CCP is WILLFULLY ignoring the user population to roll-back the UI nightmare.

Tippia wrote:
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
Everyone seems to ignore the fact that CCP wants UI to be impossible, in order that it is difficult for the bot programmers.
Yes, people have been ignoring this fiction, because that's what it is — not fact.



Oh, why they don't roll it back is easy to understand, they won't because:

- would be technically complicated or even unfeasible to revert to an older code within the new code
- would be awful politically wise
- they've spent 6 digits on the UI so far and that's not something they can trash for the sake of it

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
#342 - 2012-06-28 19:21:18 UTC
Irregessa wrote:
I had been trying to get a good, solid LogServer log of lag when using the Inventory UI, decided to try again this morning after the patch and... the lag is entirely gone. Whatever you did, don't undo it.


After the emergency reboot for the Unicode, the lag I was experiencing in inventory management is back.

Hmm.
Ichi Bomb
Obtainium Inc
#343 - 2012-06-28 19:40:09 UTC
Guard / CCP,

Stop putting band-aids on Unified Inventory, just get rid of it ! Or.... makes it an option to use or not use like the gay captains quarters. =)
Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
#344 - 2012-06-28 20:27:17 UTC
Ichi Bomb wrote:
Guard / CCP,

Stop putting band-aids on Unified Inventory, just get rid of it ! Or.... makes it an option to use or not use like the gay captains quarters. =)



As they have explained elsewhere, they can't. It is now part of the code upon which other things are built. It would require rewriting everything that depends on it, and that is just not going to happen. Deal with it.
L'Acuto
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#345 - 2012-06-28 23:07:54 UTC
Unified Inventory works fine.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#346 - 2012-06-28 23:41:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
- would be awful politically wise

Doing what your customers want and admitting that you were wrong is bad for your company.
Oraac Ensor
#347 - 2012-06-29 05:04:30 UTC
RawNec wrote:
Janet Patton wrote:
I don't think anyone mentioned this yet, but the Minmatar frigates have grown over twice in size. For example the Rifter went from being 56m long to being 139m. Hence why the guns look smaller. While I always thought the guns where a little to big on some of the frigates. I think the scale at which some of the ships where increased was over done. Maybe the ships should be shrunk back down half way to about 100m long? I understand why they did this, because a lot of guns where clipping through the models, but it seems like it was over done a little. The guns seem to tiny and puny now and look weak.

Also I would like to add that I really like the new V3 skins the details. They look great. I like most of the new paint schemes. I know a lot of people don't like the new brown color for the ships. I think it should be explained that this may because it was so the detail would show and that we will be able to repaint or re-shade our ships in the future different colors. That might be why the ships had to be lighter then they use to be.



One of the hi slots has also been moved from the ship side to the wings. Why did you do that CCP? The new skin will look awesome in anyway even if one hi slot is covering the side of the ship. If you move back the hi slot to where it was and shrink the ship back to at least 100m you will get a frigate that everybody is expecting I think.

At the same time I don’t want to sound too critical. I think you have done a great job and I really love the game! Keep up the good work! But please listen to what we have said. The wolf is the number one ship! I would be glad if you find out some improvements about the things we have mentioned.

I'd just like to put in another vote for shrinking the Rifter hull to 100m or so. The new version is way too big.
Zleon Leigh
#348 - 2012-06-29 05:33:43 UTC
L'Acuto wrote:
Unified Inventory works fine.


As an example of failing to listen to customers? Yeah, it's right on the mark.

Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day

PvP's latest  incentive program ** Unified Inventory **  'Cause you gotta kill something after trying to use it
Zleon Leigh
#349 - 2012-06-29 05:47:58 UTC
CCP Atlas wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
I went out to do my PI and, due to the update, was pressed for time. I went as fast as I could and did not trigger the "please wait for paperwork" timer like normal. CCP, did you speed that up? Thanks!


Yes we did. I'm glad you like it. Smile



A change that people actually want, that people would love to know - and yet it failed to make the patch notes.....



Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day

PvP's latest  incentive program ** Unified Inventory **  'Cause you gotta kill something after trying to use it
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#350 - 2012-06-29 07:46:34 UTC
Why in the blooming hell must CCP force that stupid leper skin look on every T2/navy ship??
Sleipnir looks like garbage now. Not sure what other ships you have managed to spoil with this color scheme yet..

Vaga looks crap now that you shaved it bald..

In after the lock :P   - CCP Falcon www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#351 - 2012-06-29 08:03:13 UTC
Lag: again

Stop touching whatever in that inventory stuff, at each patch you add more lag, not thank you for this. Can I get back my money for all the time I can't play or wasted behind the screen trying to play "Lag-On-Line" ?

Seriously, try to play on TQ some day, or should we move on to china/japan server?

brb
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#352 - 2012-06-29 10:13:04 UTC
Nyla Skin wrote:
Why in the blooming hell must CCP force that stupid leper skin look on every T2/navy ship??
Sleipnir looks like garbage now. Not sure what other ships you have managed to spoil with this color scheme yet..

Vaga looks crap now that you shaved it bald..



Just another example of what appears to be the current CCP policy, of screwing things up for no apparent reason.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#353 - 2012-06-29 10:31:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
18 pages of feedback and not a peep out of CCP about the issues people are having multi-boxing and having their FPS fall off a cliff only to get 2 - 6fps........

CCP try playing your game at 2 FPS.....oh that's right, you can't.

It's nice to have Pre-Incarna CCP back......!

Don't ban me, bro!
Dennie Fleetfoot
DUST University
#354 - 2012-06-29 10:32:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Dennie Fleetfoot
So I was at the Newcastle meet last night.

CCP Unifex and many of the dev's from the Newcastle office and a couple from Iceland were there and much beer was drunk and tongues were looser than usual. If you've ever been to one of these meets or Fanfest you'll know CCP devs are rather good guys to be out drinking with.

So this will not be a who said what and who about post. There was a free and frank exchange of idea from players and the devs and I'm NOT going to tell tales on people because the last thing I want is the devs thinking they have to keep their mouths shut at the events. If you want all the gossip then make the effort to get to one of the meets.

That said I will give proper Kudos to Unifex as he is the guy that specifically said that Stealth Bombers shouldn't uncloak each other in wing formation and told the dev's to make it so. Cool.

So, onto the rest of the night.

They know they screwed up with the UI. And they are determined to get it fixed and don't care how much dev time it takes away from other things to do so. And I believed them. They have to. They know players are unhappy with it and they have the data to show it, feedback like the forums, petitions, bug reports and feedback from un-subbing players.

The old UI is NOT coming back or being rolled back. It is genuinely impossible to do so as so much other cool stuff in Inferno is built upon it. There was some other stuff mentioned about UI development which for the reasons I've already said I'm not going to repeat here. But I'm now confident that UI will be a suitable replacement for what we had before. It's just a matter of how long it will take.

It is also not an attempt to make botting harder. CCP have for more effective tools for that sort of thing. Nor is it a result of Dust 514's menu structure.

One other thing as well. The Dev's ain't too fond of trolls on these forums and they tend to ignore the 'stop whining' brigade that pop's up on them because a lot of them aren't very helpful. The complaints about features is how they know there is a problem to fix. They just ask they we keep it polite and not get personal. And use the bug report system too. It's also impossible to check on every post on every forum. There just isn't enough hours in the day for that. But they read as much as they can.

Everyone was loving Dust and were making sure the Dev's knew it. E3 was a major success for CCP and word in the industry is that the established 'dinosaurs' in FPS's as someone put it last night are very disturbed about how good it is and that it will be free to play. Long established revenue streams are going to take a kicking as a result of CCP entering the game.

There was also a small presentation with some slides that demonstrated how important us brits are to CCP.

Basically, we're the oldest, most skill pointed, richest and deadliest cross-dressers in EVE.

Oh and google 'Jon Lander'. He was trying to be apologetic as to the top hit but I think he loves it really.

CEO Dust University

CPM 1&2 Member

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ISquishWorms
#355 - 2012-06-29 11:08:23 UTC
Dennie Fleetfoot wrote:
So I was at the Newcastle meet last night.

CCP Unifex and many of the dev's from the Newcastle office and a couple from Iceland were there and much beer was drunk and tongues were looser than usual. If you've ever been to one of these meets or Fanfest you'll know CCP devs are rather good guys to be out drinking with.

So this will not be a who said what and who about post. There was a free and frank exchange of idea from players and the devs and I'm NOT going to tell tales on people because the last thing I want is the devs thinking they have to keep their mouths shut at the events. If you want all the gossip then make the effort to get to one of the meets.

That said I will give proper Kudos to Unifex as he is the guy that specifically said that Stealth Bombers shouldn't uncloak each other in wing formation and told the dev's to make it so. Cool.

So, onto the rest of the night.

They know they screwed up with the UI. And they are determined to get it fixed and don't care how much dev time it takes away from other things to do so. And I believed them. They have to. They know players are unhappy with it and they have the data to show it, feedback like the forums, petitions, bug reports and feedback from un-subbing players.

The old UI is NOT coming back or being rolled back. It is genuinely impossible to do so as so much other cool stuff in Inferno is built upon it. There was some other stuff mentioned about UI development which for the reasons I've already said I'm not going to repeat here. But I'm now confident that UI will be a suitable replacement for what we had before. It's just a matter of how long it will take.

It is also not an attempt to make botting harder. CCP have for more effective tools for that sort of thing. Nor is it a result of Dust 514's menu structure.

One other thing as well. The Dev's ain't too fond of trolls on these forums and they tend to ignore the 'stop whining' brigade that pop's up on them because a lot of them aren't very helpful. The complaints about features is how they know there is a problem to fix. They just ask they we keep it polite and not get personal. And use the bug report system too. It's also impossible to check on every post on every forum. There just isn't enough hours in the day for that. But they read as much as they can.

Everyone was loving Dust and were making sure the Dev's knew it. E3 was a major success for CCP and word in the industry is that the established 'dinosaurs' in FPS's as someone put it last night are very disturbed about how good it is and that it will be free to play. Long established revenue streams are going to take a kicking as a result of CCP entering the game.

There was also a small presentation with some slides that demonstrated how important us brits are to CCP.

Basically, we're the oldest, most skill pointed, richest and deadliest cross-dressers in EVE.

Oh and google 'Jon Lander'. He was trying to be apologetic as to the top hit but I think he loves it really.


Just wanted to say thanks for the Newcastle meet feedback was very interested to hear what got said esp about the brits being one myself. I wish I had made it to the meet they held in London on well maybe next time.

‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’.
Lord Road
People's Democratic Republic of Gatecamping
Muh Zkill...
#356 - 2012-06-29 11:09:37 UTC
Quote:

Fixes

Graphics

Improvements have been made to the FPS drop that some players are experiencing, particularly when running multiple clients. We do not consider the problem solved however and are still continuing to investigate.



Anyone has more details about the FPS drop? When did the bug start happening?
I'm running multiple clients on linux and I headbanged for a week and trashed every possible kernel, wine ver and driver to figure out what's wrong , why did my FPS drop to 5FPS? ARGHHHHH!! And now I find out that it's CCPs fault? More details please.
Jack' Sparrow
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#357 - 2012-06-29 11:16:35 UTC
Hi All,

As nice as it is that CCP are fixing a lot of problems, these daily patches are becoming a bit of a joke.

For a player who has a very speedy internet connection then happy days but, unfortunately not all of us have that privilege and these daily patches are making it impossible to actually log in to the game until about 15 minuets have passed, (In my case).

It would be nice to see patches deployed on a weekly basis instead of daily since, I cant seem to find much joy in spending 15 minuets patching the game everyday.

Please realize CCP that as much as we all appreciate you fixing the game, it's not as much fun as it was with these patches and it would be much more logical to deploy them on a weekly basis which, would also give you more time to make sure all the fixes are correct and that you haven't missed anything.

Please don't take this post as another moaning player with nothing better to do but obviously these issues have to be addressed and I would also appreciate what other players think of this. Not the ones with ultra fast internet that is.

Cheers.
Braxus Deninard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#358 - 2012-06-29 11:46:58 UTC
While I agree that so many patches can be a very slight annoyance, the percentage of people with very slow internet such as yourself is extremely small, so I don't think you can expect CCP to change their patch release frequency to suit a tiny amount of people who don't want to wait a bit longer. It's just not logical.
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#359 - 2012-06-29 12:19:55 UTC
Nyla Skin wrote:
Why in the blooming hell must CCP force that stupid leper skin look on every T2/navy ship??
Sleipnir looks like garbage now. Not sure what other ships you have managed to spoil with this color scheme yet..

Vaga looks crap now that you shaved it bald..



There you go......

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/06/28/jesters-trek-saturation/
Nova Soldier
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#360 - 2012-06-29 12:24:21 UTC
After 5 min of playing from 60 fps in space i get 7 fps with only 1 account.

Same thing happens with 2 accounts, they both get 6-7 fps after a few min of playing.

This is before and after the "patch" to solve the graphical issue.