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Just say no to Arenas!

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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#1 - 2012-06-23 19:47:46 UTC
I was listening to a podcast with CSM Selene talking about his recent trip to Iceland and one of the things he mentioned was CCP having the tools to create PvP arenas in EVE, and this being something CCP was considering for the future.

Such content is completely inappropriate for a game like EVE. I would hope the CSM told CCP to shelve the idea? EVE is slipping further and further away from the Sandbox PvP MMO model, the last thing we need is instanced arenas.

Any CSM members like to comment on this?
Ravan Hekki
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-06-23 23:11:03 UTC
As long as it was part of the universe i'd have no problem.

PVP areanas....no, **** no.

The Quafe combat tournament... **** yes. Death race arenas, hell yeah.

Just have to be sure its done well and we can have team racing colours and a tour :)

Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-06-24 18:09:33 UTC
bah I think arenas won't be instanced it is not in the nature of eve.

but to have a rule set that people can agree on and do battle with will be awesome.....

Now if a third party wants to suicide gank the tourney --- Booya!!!


In DDO and and Everquest 1 The arenas are not instanced items.


Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-06-25 03:11:36 UTC
players can already agree to have 1v1 fights or not, arenas are not needed or wanted
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-06-25 13:38:21 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
players can already agree to have 1v1 fights or not, arenas are not needed or wanted


But they can't agree on Prizes for the winner, costs for the loser, rules of engagement, modules allowed, etc. This would be a good improvement.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#6 - 2012-06-25 15:13:49 UTC
Deadspace arenas are fine...so long as they can be scanned down, fleet warped, and all the rest.

Just say no to instanced anything.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

mxzf
Shovel Bros
#7 - 2012-06-26 03:13:00 UTC
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
players can already agree to have 1v1 fights or not, arenas are not needed or wanted


But they can't agree on Prizes for the winner, costs for the loser, rules of engagement, modules allowed, etc. This would be a good improvement.


Then a player should step up and offer to be a third-party judge who can hold the prizes and give them to the winner. Eve doesn't need mechanical systems taking over things, it needs players to step up and just run things. And what would a contest be in Eve if you weren't running the risk that the third-party judge could just run off with your ISK instead of paying it out; that just screams Eve to me, lol.
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#8 - 2012-06-26 05:25:28 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Kaelie Onren wrote:

But they can't agree on Prizes for the winner, costs for the loser, rules of engagement, modules allowed, etc. This would be a good improvement.


Then a player should step up and offer to be a third-party judge who can hold the prizes and give them to the winner. Eve doesn't need mechanical systems taking over things, it needs players to step up and just run things. And what would a contest be in Eve if you weren't running the risk that the third-party judge could just run off with your ISK instead of paying it out; that just screams Eve to me, lol.


Or they could actually provide an honest service and end up as a Chribba meets Batiatus mix and gain lots of ISK and EVE fame.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#9 - 2012-06-26 05:34:32 UTC
I'm all for this. It could be a great spectator sport. And it would allow players to pvp without fear of death-by-blob
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#10 - 2012-06-26 05:40:29 UTC
Xorv wrote:
mxzf wrote:
Kaelie Onren wrote:

But they can't agree on Prizes for the winner, costs for the loser, rules of engagement, modules allowed, etc. This would be a good improvement.


Then a player should step up and offer to be a third-party judge who can hold the prizes and give them to the winner. Eve doesn't need mechanical systems taking over things, it needs players to step up and just run things. And what would a contest be in Eve if you weren't running the risk that the third-party judge could just run off with your ISK instead of paying it out; that just screams Eve to me, lol.


Or they could actually provide an honest service and end up as a Chribba meets Batiatus mix and gain lots of ISK and EVE fame.


Of course, that would be the best solution. I was just pointing out that a player creating a huge organization and then running off with the proceeds is also completely within the scope of Eve too.
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#11 - 2012-06-26 06:12:16 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Xorv wrote:

Or they could actually provide an honest service and end up as a Chribba meets Batiatus mix and gain lots of ISK and EVE fame.


Of course, that would be the best solution. I was just pointing out that a player creating a huge organization and then running off with the proceeds is also completely within the scope of Eve too.


Yeah absolutely, it's the open ended uncertain outcome which is the wonder and excitement of the sandbox.
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-06-27 04:08:28 UTC
remember a sandbox is all about OPTIONS

you can make your own game.

If an instance is required for an arena to work well enough for a player to make there own Alliance Tourney Event, Why not?

It provides an opportunity to train newbes, To state and brag they are awesome in there small pond, It destroys assests, may open up an oportunity to place bets.


Tell me what does Instanced Arena Take away from the game? - Blindly Saying No to such an item is just so Carebear.. People are asking for this.

Don't feed me the line that Eve is all about Non consentual Combat! That is a statement made by weak bullies with no skills nor the desire to challenge them selves. They have a need to fight unfair fight to feel good about them selves. If they loose a fight they end up rage quitting stating the opponent cheated.

These Arenas can be a learning tool, to help newbs learn at a rate they absorb the lessons.


I want to variety! and Arenas give that! Though giving a third party an ability to effect it even better!

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#13 - 2012-06-27 06:33:13 UTC
Gevlin wrote:
remember a sandbox is all about OPTIONS

you can make your own game.


No. Your understanding of what a sandox is in relation to MMORPGs is fundamentally wrong. It is not about presenting players with loads of set options they can choose in isolation from the rest of the game and the rest of the player base. That is essentially a themepark MMOPRG with lots of rides, not a sandbox.

A sandbox MMORPG gives players the opportunity to create their own options in and amongst every other player in the game, not in isolation from them.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#14 - 2012-06-27 11:49:30 UTC
Xorv wrote:
Gevlin wrote:
remember a sandbox is all about OPTIONS

you can make your own game.


No. Your understanding of what a sandox is in relation to MMORPGs is fundamentally wrong. It is not about presenting players with loads of set options they can choose in isolation from the rest of the game and the rest of the player base. That is essentially a themepark MMOPRG with lots of rides, not a sandbox.

A sandbox MMORPG gives players the opportunity to create their own options in and amongst every other player in the game, not in isolation from them.


Exactly, this type of arena stuff has no place in EvE Online.

The Tears Must Flow

Eidric
Private Shelter for Mad People
#15 - 2012-07-01 10:45:31 UTC
I hope only Arenas we will see will be DUST ones, with us betting.

Eve ones are debatable at best.
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#16 - 2012-07-02 18:12:54 UTC
It would need to be part and parcel of the EVE universe. No instances, obviously. However, the ability to set up your own deadspace pocket to run a fight club does sound intriguing.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
The Network.
#17 - 2012-07-03 05:22:20 UTC
CCP and the CSM are down with arenas. No one said anything about instancing though. EVE isn't WoW.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#18 - 2012-07-03 19:40:49 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
CCP and the CSM are down with arenas. No one said anything about instancing though. EVE isn't WoW.


Thanks for the response. Not being instanced is good, but the whole concept still has the taint of poop all over it. Will we be seeing more details in the CSM minutes or is it something further down the road?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#19 - 2012-07-03 23:22:16 UTC
If it /was/ going to be instances, then it'd be deadspace, with a acceleration gate to access. Possibly limited by ship types.

And one real benefit of an 'arena'. You could turn off Concord within (maybe).

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Hrald
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2012-07-06 09:45:14 UTC
I don't know why there is resistance to arenas. I think if done properly in hisec, it'd be interesting. What I've always thought would be cool is a gambling aspect to it where one can bet on matches between players.
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