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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#661 - 2012-06-20 10:45:33 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
doesnt mean it wont happen.

Of course not, that's why it's called high security, and not total security.

Andrea Roche wrote:
besides i have stated before in other threads that i do believe that using NPC charaters to pilot a freighter is an exploits same as all the other war mechanics exploits that avoid war.

There you go again, with the assumptions. As it so happens, I do actually run my own corp as well, for my hisec shenanigans.

Andrea Roche wrote:
You should be in corp period if you want to pilot a freightr in highsec. This in turn forces contracting to a 3rd party or creation of alt corp which fuels espionage and conflict. This is the basic hot pot of eve!

Good thing I'm already there, eh?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#662 - 2012-06-20 10:55:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Lord Zim wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
doesnt mean it wont happen.

Of course not, that's why it's called high security, and not total security.

Andrea Roche wrote:
besides i have stated before in other threads that i do believe that using NPC charaters to pilot a freighter is an exploits same as all the other war mechanics exploits that avoid war.

There you go again, with the assumptions. As it so happens, I do actually run my own corp as well, for my hisec shenanigans.

Andrea Roche wrote:
You should be in corp period if you want to pilot a freightr in highsec. This in turn forces contracting to a 3rd party or creation of alt corp which fuels espionage and conflict. This is the basic hot pot of eve!

Good thing I'm already there, eh?


i am not saying you do or dont but what i am saying is that this needs changing also. Not everything is about you and only you. Same as when i said goons, i also mentioned large entities. Its all general. Instead all you saw is goons and not "large entities"
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#663 - 2012-06-20 11:11:26 UTC
You said "goons", I saw "goons". You started talking about how NPC characters were bad in response to me saying I had a neutral freighter alt, I'm just pointing out that this isn't the problem you seem to attribute it as, since I can easily circumvent wardecs without going to NPC corps.

The only way you're going to fix that particular problem is to require that CCP limits accounts and characters to 1 per person. Good luck with that, should you choose to go down that route.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#664 - 2012-06-20 11:44:04 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
You said "goons", I saw "goons". You started talking about how NPC characters were bad in response to me saying I had a neutral freighter alt, I'm just pointing out that this isn't the problem you seem to attribute it as, since I can easily circumvent wardecs without going to NPC corps.

The only way you're going to fix that particular problem is to require that CCP limits accounts and characters to 1 per person. Good luck with that, should you choose to go down that route.


what? Lol
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#665 - 2012-06-20 11:52:53 UTC
It's in plain english? vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#666 - 2012-06-20 12:46:02 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
It's in plain english? vOv


what kind of troll is this? limit the accounts to 1? rofl
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#667 - 2012-06-20 14:36:52 UTC
still dont see why the war mechanic doesnt include the corps standings towards NPC Highsec Factions.

The whole premise of war decs costing isk is because you're bribing NPC's to 'look the other way'.

higher standings = higher cost to wardec.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#668 - 2012-06-20 14:53:04 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
It's in plain english? vOv


what kind of troll is this? limit the accounts to 1? rofl

The only way you'll get at the whole "hurr I'll just freighter stuff around in a neutral alt" is if you get CCP to limit the number of accounts to 1 per person, and 1 character per account. It's the only way you can actually stop the war mechanics exploits that avoid war.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#669 - 2012-06-20 15:05:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Lord Zim wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
It's in plain english? vOv


what kind of troll is this? limit the accounts to 1? rofl

The only way you'll get at the whole "hurr I'll just freighter stuff around in a neutral alt" is if you get CCP to limit the number of accounts to 1 per person, and 1 character per account. It's the only way you can actually stop the war mechanics exploits that avoid war.


what are you talking about? Shocked
its simple and it does not limit people to one corp. Everybody still uses alts npc corp or not. They are not JUST used for freightering stuff! Stop talking nonsence Lol
I see the "mighty" goons are afraid of not been able to take their techtonium to jita with none npc character! Pathetic. Twisted
Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#670 - 2012-06-20 15:23:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Robus Muvila
I love this thread.

Andrea Roche wrote:

... i have stated before in other threads that i do believe that using NPC charaters to pilot a freighter is an exploit...


Lord Zim wrote:

...The only way you're going to fix that particular problem is to require that CCP limits accounts and characters to 1 per person.
Good luck with that....


Andrea Roche wrote:

Everybody still uses alts npc corp or not. They are not JUST used for freightering stuff! Stop talking nonsence Lol


See?

Beautiful.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#671 - 2012-06-20 15:59:05 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
It's in plain english? vOv


what kind of troll is this? limit the accounts to 1? rofl

The only way you'll get at the whole "hurr I'll just freighter stuff around in a neutral alt" is if you get CCP to limit the number of accounts to 1 per person, and 1 character per account. It's the only way you can actually stop the war mechanics exploits that avoid war.


what are you talking about? Shocked
its simple and it does not limit people to one corp. Everybody still uses alts npc corp or not. They are not JUST used for freightering stuff! Stop talking nonsence Lol
I see the "mighty" goons are afraid of not been able to take their techtonium to jita with none npc character! Pathetic. Twisted

Yeah, I figured it would still fly right over your head, but I can at least say I tried. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Star en Gravonere
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#672 - 2012-06-20 19:04:56 UTC
Watching all this from afar, I have to agree that the current mechanic is flawed. However, the proposed solution from Soundwave is worse.

It is poetic to have a large 0.0 alliance that has caused much grief toward those players in high sec that those players then band together for retribution. It doesn't matter if the current villain is the goons. In the past it would have been BoB/IT. In the future it will be someone else. However, it in unrealistic to expect all those in high sec to drop their corps or alliances to band together into a single entity, yet the proposed mechanics would for this to do this. Eve allows virtual bullies to pick on the weak, yet until the current war dec changes the mechanics made it unrealistic for players to spontaneously stand up to the bully. Any new system should still encourage this by letting smaller entities easily join forces for a short time for payback.

Further, I think the approach toward the cost is missing the obvious solution. In Eve, when a pilot breaks the law, they are flagged individually and sought out by Concord. What-ever corp they are in is not flagged. The same principle should apply to war decs, with Concord having to flag all the individual pilots as being immune to attacking the enemy. The end result would be a cost based on the size of the attacking corp/alliance and the target. If a 5,000 member alliance wants to fight a 100 man corp in high sec, the charges should reflect a total of 5,100 pilots. That is how many pilots some poor Concord administrator has to enter into the system to not be flagged as a criminal when fighting breaks out. The actual game mechanics would not change, just the basis for determining the cost.
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#673 - 2012-06-20 23:15:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Star en Gravonere wrote:
Watching all this from afar, I have to agree that the current mechanic is flawed. However, the proposed solution from Soundwave is worse.

It is poetic to have a large 0.0 alliance that has caused much grief toward those players in high sec that those players then band together for retribution. It doesn't matter if the current villain is the goons. In the past it would have been BoB/IT. In the future it will be someone else. However, it in unrealistic to expect all those in high sec to drop their corps or alliances to band together into a single entity, yet the proposed mechanics would for this to do this. Eve allows virtual bullies to pick on the weak, yet until the current war dec changes the mechanics made it unrealistic for players to spontaneously stand up to the bully. Any new system should still encourage this by letting smaller entities easily join forces for a short time for payback.

Further, I think the approach toward the cost is missing the obvious solution. In Eve, when a pilot breaks the law, they are flagged individually and sought out by Concord. What-ever corp they are in is not flagged. The same principle should apply to war decs, with Concord having to flag all the individual pilots as being immune to attacking the enemy. The end result would be a cost based on the size of the attacking corp/alliance and the target. If a 5,000 member alliance wants to fight a 100 man corp in high sec, the charges should reflect a total of 5,100 pilots. That is how many pilots some poor Concord administrator has to enter into the system to not be flagged as a criminal when fighting breaks out. The actual game mechanics would not change, just the basis for determining the cost.


This does not work cos then it would cost 6 billion to wardec goons sized entity which is too expensive. And thats per week! At that cost you may aswell make it not been able to declare war!
I think the present is fare. You screwed up and you got bad karma coming your way. You should not get off that easy. Eve is a cold harsh place! CCP should not give goons free pass or any othr entity. Its ridiculous.
Rasmido
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#674 - 2012-06-21 14:16:15 UTC
Missing ship- and droneicons....

3 days ago i only missed the icons from tengu and velator.

Then CCP delayed the Inferno 1.1 release because of this bug...

1 patch later (2 days ago) i am missing all icons from ships and drones.

2 patches later (yesterday) - still the same

It makes testing on the server nearly impossible.

As a sidenote:
All others that i know in game are claiming, that there is no problem with these icons...
I cleared my cache, I deleted all settings (the %appdata%\Eve\ folder)...
Jiji Hamin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#675 - 2012-06-23 15:13:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jiji Hamin
hi i have lots of opinions about goons and wardecs which are not founded in virtually any real experience that I can use as a basis for my proposed solutions and instead will base everything that I say off of conjecture and what I hear other people say. i believe goons are the antichrist and are in collusion with ccp who only do anything to please one group of players, even though that group of players has had bad relations with ccp historically and that goup's leader was just kicked off of the csm by ccp. i will now rant incoherently and be incapable of understanding any of the arguments laid out against me. i will act as though certain ideas are common or central to eve when in fact they are alien, such as arguing that certain things are "unfair" when fairness has always been a joke in eve. this will make it even more impossible to reason with me. it will be ambiguous whether english is my first language and whether I am an RPer. you will become rightly suspicious that I am a bot given the frequency with which I post. I will probably accuse a CCP employee of either being a fascist for erasing unproductive comments or of hating eve and its players because they failed to say exactly what I wanted, when I wanted them to.
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#676 - 2012-06-23 15:30:15 UTC
Rasmido wrote:
Missing ship- and droneicons....

3 days ago i only missed the icons from tengu and velator.

Then CCP delayed the Inferno 1.1 release because of this bug...

1 patch later (2 days ago) i am missing all icons from ships and drones.

2 patches later (yesterday) - still the same

It makes testing on the server nearly impossible.

As a sidenote:
All others that i know in game are claiming, that there is no problem with these icons...
I cleared my cache, I deleted all settings (the %appdata%\Eve\ folder)...

I think there was a issue in one of the patch cycles that is not fixed by the launcher. I had a UI bug issue and reinstalled Sisi. The issue cleared up.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#677 - 2012-06-23 15:36:07 UTC
Salpun wrote:
Rasmido wrote:
Missing ship- and droneicons....

3 days ago i only missed the icons from tengu and velator.

Then CCP delayed the Inferno 1.1 release because of this bug...

1 patch later (2 days ago) i am missing all icons from ships and drones.

2 patches later (yesterday) - still the same

It makes testing on the server nearly impossible.

As a sidenote:
All others that i know in game are claiming, that there is no problem with these icons...
I cleared my cache, I deleted all settings (the %appdata%\Eve\ folder)...

I think there was a issue in one of the patch cycles that is not fixed by the launcher. I had a UI bug issue and reinstalled Sisi. The issue cleared up.


This was fixed on Friday and will be on Sisi some point over the weekend, or early Monday morning.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Rasmido
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#678 - 2012-06-23 20:24:08 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Rasmido wrote:
Missing ship- and droneicons....

3 days ago i only missed the icons from tengu and velator.

Then CCP delayed the Inferno 1.1 release because of this bug...

1 patch later (2 days ago) i am missing all icons from ships and drones.

2 patches later (yesterday) - still the same

It makes testing on the server nearly impossible.

As a sidenote:
All others that i know in game are claiming, that there is no problem with these icons...
I cleared my cache, I deleted all settings (the %appdata%\Eve\ folder)...

I think there was a issue in one of the patch cycles that is not fixed by the launcher. I had a UI bug issue and reinstalled Sisi. The issue cleared up.


This was fixed on Friday and will be on Sisi some point over the weekend, or early Monday morning.


Confirming. It is solved now. Thx.
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#679 - 2012-07-20 03:56:11 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
I'm sure we really, truly, deeply care about for example the 0rphanage wardeccing us.

I mean, I'm truly losing sleep over it as I undock my neutral freighter alt. :(


i am sure that you know, that neutral or no neutral you still get ganked on a freighter in jita provided you cargohold is worth it.
This does not change orphanage. They will continue doing what they do. I am talking about the non neuts.

I haven't gotten ganked a single time in jita, and I haul multi-billion cargos all the time.


doesnt mean it wont happen.
besides i have stated before in other threads that i do believe that using NPC charaters to pilot a freighter is an exploits same as all the other war mechanics exploits that avoid war. You should be in corp period if you want to pilot a freightr in highsec. This in turn forces contracting to a 3rd party or creation of alt corp which fuels espionage and conflict. This is the basic hot pot of eve!


a frighter need to be in corp lol your so dead wrong even in the real world dont work like that. Did you know before the USA got into world war 2 we were sending frighters full of cargo to england and german u-boat's would eather down them or leave them alone.

Have alts is like have a contract outside your corp/allinace that work only for your corp/allinace like the USA did for England
before it got into the war. was this a exploit no is it in game no. you just bent out of shape that frighters not red to you get over it.

Alts any alt are like countrys that will work with any willing pay "game time for eve" any thing you seen to look at thats not red is a exploit so when i sell something in jita to one of your targets is that a exploit i in my own why move that cargo and sold it on the open market for your target to buy and use.

Learn from the real world before you call any thing a exploit.


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Geoscape
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#680 - 2012-07-24 11:35:08 UTC
Saw the changes to deadspace remote repair modules.

My RR punishers just got a whole lot better!