EVE General Discussion

CONTINUED FROM MY FIRST POST:

9. To confirm this, we ran several tests. We would manipulate the price of an item with a 90 day volume of roughly 5-10 items across Eve, meaning the shittiest, worst 5% bonus to electronic attack ship damage implant we could find.(this is not the actual item, the actual item was even more worthless) Specifically, we would cycle billions of ISK worth of orders to ourselves and create massive volume in said item. CCP duly confirmed their pricing update script’s existence by taking a couple of Fridays to launch the CCP Value of said implants to all time highs. The result was not perfect, but it was more than sufficient to do what was needed.

Here it is clearly stated that the Goons conducted tests and found the results not perfect but still viable to move toward their goal(s).

10. From here, it was child’s play to locate a completely ******, unused item from the FW Loyalty store and jack up the CCP price by repeatedly buying the product at inflated prices in some untraveled galactic shithole.

Here we can clearly see how they proceeded at this point.

11. Once prices updated, we were able to purchase LP at 81 ISK / LP.

Here we can see the result they have achieved

12. You can see evidence of our dark work throughout the economy in Eve. Open up the market graphs in Jita and take a look at any given implant. Every single one of them will be going off a cliff because we were routinely slamming thousands into buys. At 81 ISK per LP, practically any price is a profit. Of course, we didn’t stop at implants; if you’re holding Mechanical Engineering or Minmatar Starship Engineering datacores, you have our condolences as we roll around in literal Scrooge McDuck towers full of your isk. If we were just a little bit prone to hitting and running, everything related to FW LP would be in the gutter. Fortunately, we are patient and beatific overlords. Numerous publord superstars have taken massive losses as we slam buys to nothing, then erect gigantic, unassailable walls of sells at a price that ensures that any stock held by anyone is without value. This last part has mostly been done because we can.

Here they are clearly standing that the exploit that they have used can actually be proven by actual facts. They are even stating that they could abuse the exploit because they felt "they could do so".

13. The goal was to make a bit of profit. and figure out how to fix it long term. CCP was informed and they moved quickly to address the issue. The party came to an immediate end after the T5 cashout occured. So this is over, and you will no longer be able to do this. If you somehow did find a way, CCP is watching and will probably take action against anyone doing it in the future. But it will still end up being the biggest jew haul of a new game system since PI, and it beats PI hands down.

Here they are stating that it was for the "greater good". They are stating that CCP has fixed it and also clearly state that nobody else will be able to do so again and that they actually profit from it and that now CCP is closely watching the FW system and that if anyone else finds an exploit, there will be consequences. The closing statement in this paragraph also clearly points how just how much they have profited from it.


CONCLUSION:
There is a multitude of facts that shows that the participants of this event knew beforehand of a possible exploit, that they have run simulations stating it was in fact a very plausible exploit, that they have verified it within the live environment of TQ, then exploited it even if they have reported the bug to CCP, that they intentionally tried to break it again after the first fix and that they again profited from it, they clearly state that the manipulated the system for their own goal(s) and that now CCP is watching everybody else who could find an exploit in the FW and promptly report it and not abuse and may face consequences.

Now, I work in the game industry and I know that this couldn't necessarily be caught by the QA team, they aren't enough members and no game devs and publishers has 10,000 testers. The issue here is that the exploit of the game mechanics was found before the launch of Inferno, that the Goons didn't warn CCP before the launch, where CCP could have run a simulation just like the Goons did and seen the flaw and fixed it to a more manageable point. Now also, this is not emergent gameplay it is using a game mechanic that did not work as intended therefore an exploit. As per the rules of CCP on exploits, I really hope they uphold the rules, some may face bans and other reprimands.

Just a heads-up Richard Desturned, this thread was going more your way before you started posting. Don't you guys have guidelines or something?

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Were people banned for killing JFs with triple-web Vindicators before it was announced as an exploit?

The Invisible Hand of the market is reaching for your wallet RIGHT NOW

Hrothgar Nilsson please stop making antisemitic comments

not really, it's just you and that Hrothgar guy cherry-picking every post to try to point out "antisemitism" or "exploits"

guess what, determining whether they were indeed exploiting is up to CCP and their investigation is based on more than forum posts

Still waiting for the exploit to be pointed out

True, I don't have the raw data and numbers, but I do believe I did show how well every word and sentences in a public statement can show proofs of using an exploit in this case. Sadly, anyway that CCP may slice it, it may just look bad.

In any case we will see tears from a bunch of people from different roles/factions/corps/alliances.

No it isn't. War dec mechanics changing or not, in null sec, you don't need a wardec to come attack us.

Bring your allies and let's have us a war.