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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#641 - 2012-06-22 01:32:34 UTC
The Goons were not really the first to think of this... It was a pretty obvious exploit for people that trade or deal with the market a lot. Thing is, manipulating game mechanics is different than manipulating the market and is bad mmkay? Ruins the games longevity. Props for actually taking the initiative and doing the work to pull it off though. Hope CCP remedies your gains though.

I would love CCP Dr. EyjoG to do a write up on this at some point.... or just hear his comments during the next fanfest. ^.^
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#642 - 2012-06-22 01:34:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Aryth
Nikodiemus wrote:
The Goons were not really the first to think of this... It was a pretty obvious exploit for people that trade or deal with the market a lot. Thing is, manipulating game mechanics is different than manipulating the market and is bad mmkay? Ruins the games longevity. Props for actually taking the initiative and doing the work to pull it off though. Hope CCP remedies your gains though.

I would love CCP Dr. EyjoG to do a write up on this at some point.... or just hear his comments during the next fanfest. ^.^


We were the only ones to report it from what we can tell. So I think that bears remembering.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Commit Sudoku
Perkone
Caldari State
#643 - 2012-06-22 01:34:59 UTC
Commit Sudoku
Perkone
Caldari State
#644 - 2012-06-22 01:35:08 UTC
gulftobay
Mesotopia
#645 - 2012-06-22 01:40:27 UTC
Advice: Next time you find a game exploit and boast about it run it past your crack legal team first:


Aryth wrote:

As we’ve said, in most ways, Inferno was a bust. But a throwaway blog about an obscure part of the upcoming faction warfare revamp was much more interesting than it seemed. A small group of market and game mechanics wizards sat in a channel, put their heads together and designed a theoretical exploit to game the system. It succeeded beyond their wildest dreams..


Aryth wrote:

FW turned out to have a bug that rewarded LP for both dropped and exploded cargo, doubling the rewards. So we went to work..


Aryth wrote:
In order to cash out our illicit LP..
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#646 - 2012-06-22 01:41:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Marconus Orion wrote:
This is about as much of a game exploit as Jade doing a forever war against goons.

It's not an exploit guys.


Only likely difference is our lovely forever war is getting horribly and totally nerfed :(

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
CPT Plahnut
Perkone
Caldari State
#647 - 2012-06-22 01:46:27 UTC
Commit Sudoku wrote:
CPT Plahnut wrote:
16. You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users

seems pretty clear from here....

stop posting, your ****** posts take up bandwidth which CCP has to pay for, you're a disgusting blight on the forums and definitely a negative influence on overall enjoyment (my posts on the other hand bring enjoyment to all). According to your clause you should be banned forever and you're probably fat IRL!



umad?

protip: follow your own advice
Kerensky White
K-EDEN
Winger Aerospace
#648 - 2012-06-22 01:48:19 UTC
This thing, simply amazing. And if the monetary gains are reversed by CCP it's literally destroying 5 trillion isk that was already circulating around the game. That's a fairly hefty economic blow, especially in a period where the market's in a pretty big flux with the mineral changes.


Correct me if I'm wrong, please!
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#649 - 2012-06-22 01:48:33 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Only likely difference is our lovely forever war is getting horribly and totally nerfed :(


it's pretty unfortunate because we really liked the idea of random dudes locking themselves into a perpetual wardec with us

i still think we should wardec a bunch of our own alt corps and request assistance after 1.1

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#650 - 2012-06-22 01:53:03 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
This is about as much of a game exploit as Jade doing a forever war against goons.

It's not an exploit guys.


Only likely difference is our lovely forever war is getting horribly and totally nerfed :(


The FW thing also got horribly and totally nerfed.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#651 - 2012-06-22 01:53:35 UTC
Kerensky White wrote:
This thing, simply amazing. And if the monetary gains are reversed by CCP it's literally destroying 5 trillion isk that was already circulating around the game. That's a fairly hefty economic blow, especially in a period where the market's in a pretty big flux with the mineral changes.


Correct me if I'm wrong, please!


Slightly yes. Hundreds of billions of ISK was indeed removed from EVE through the LP store sink. However, most of the gains are unrealized yet and not in ISK form. They are tied up in assets. Spread out across many separate asset classes. So it's more like long term investments. Meaning, we want the individual markets to recover as fast as possible, so that we can eventually begin selling at the highest prices possible. Hence, this post does have an ulterior motive. Revealing that the price depression in many assets was us churning ISK. Meaning, buy buy buy!

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Commit Sudoku
Perkone
Caldari State
#652 - 2012-06-22 01:55:11 UTC
CPT Plahnut wrote:

umad?

******* livid mate

guy on foreground: me posting guy in background: you
CPT Plahnut
Perkone
Caldari State
#653 - 2012-06-22 01:57:05 UTC
Commit Sudoku wrote:
CPT Plahnut wrote:

umad?

******* livid mate


its ok, I collect goonswarm rage for a living... massive pofit
Talsha Talamar
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
#654 - 2012-06-22 01:58:38 UTC
I tip my hat to the pilots that discovered this design issue.
Also I applaud their open communication and documentation of the issue.

Still in my eyes this operation used a game mechanic,
flawed or not, in a way clearly not intended by the designers
to generate excessive amounts of ingame assets.

These assets should be removed.

5 Trillion Isk or 5.000 Billion represent more than 4.000 carriers.
Certainly not an irrelevant amount of cash.

Should the intentions of the pilots revealing this
indeed prove to be honorable,
a small finders fee may be in order ;)
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#655 - 2012-06-22 01:58:41 UTC
CPT Plahnut wrote:
Commit Sudoku wrote:
CPT Plahnut wrote:

umad?

******* livid mate


its ok, I collect goonswarm rage for a living... massive pofit


Man, it ain't massive profit until it's so massive CCP needs time to review it's massiveness. Just sayin

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
CPT Plahnut
Perkone
Caldari State
#656 - 2012-06-22 02:01:54 UTC
Aryth wrote:
CPT Plahnut wrote:
Commit Sudoku wrote:
CPT Plahnut wrote:

umad?

******* livid mate


its ok, I collect goonswarm rage for a living... massive pofit


Man, it ain't massive profit until it's so massive CCP needs time to review it's massiveness. Just sayin


Their apparent lack of intellect precludes them from even understanding the magnitude on the massiveness of it
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#657 - 2012-06-22 02:03:23 UTC
is I late?

/popcorn
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#658 - 2012-06-22 02:06:07 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
This is about as much of a game exploit as Jade doing a forever war against goons.

It's not an exploit guys.


Only likely difference is our lovely forever war is getting horribly and totally nerfed :(


The FW thing also got horribly and totally nerfed.


That bit I don't quite understand - ie exactly how it was possible to stop this happening again ... what was done?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Della Monk
Monastery of Drakes
#659 - 2012-06-22 02:11:53 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#660 - 2012-06-22 02:13:46 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
This is about as much of a game exploit as Jade doing a forever war against goons.

It's not an exploit guys.


Only likely difference is our lovely forever war is getting horribly and totally nerfed :(


The FW thing also got horribly and totally nerfed.


That bit I don't quite understand - ie exactly how it was possible to stop this happening again ... what was done?


Short term they reverted our price changes and probably turned the price updater off as well. Long term? I'm sure they'll think of something.

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