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A smidgen of belated feedback from the last patch: to whoever programmed in the search text/results being saved in a corp hangar or SMA when you close and re-open said hangar, you are my favorite. If this is a bug, please make it a tickyboxable feature.

Double clicking is approach. if you want to open something, you need to right click it, and then shift+click on open. I remember when you could double click on something to warp to it. Imagine how pissed I was when my favorite escape option was ripped out.... I still have no idea why it was taken out to begin with. Like these changes, there is no good reason that I can imagine.

I wish this functionality was a bug, but it was intentional.

@ CCP: Please "unify" the threads for the Inventory UI changes / updates. Alternatively, lock all threads except for one, current and continually updated thread.

Customer feedback is getting spread all over the place and that is not helpful for carrying on a reasonable and productive discussion with the aim of having one place for subscribers to reference changes, functionality updates and CCP communications.

A great way to start such a thread is to document the changes made to the new UI and how CCP intends for the UI to work. Currently, it is not always clear how to get things done in a consistent and efficient manner.

Thanks much!

I'm behind on the times on reading the changes, but I just noticed you restored the double-click-your-ship-opens-the-cargohold functionality.

Awesomesauce.

Now onto the rest.
Almost all of it has been said before by others, but I promised to post my own short compilation. It does not touch on the woes of POS users at all, I leave that entirely to those who are currently dealing with the use of those, as have not had POS duties/interaction myself for a long time.
I will make a separate post tomorrow about the process and communication of this debacle so far, to not pollute this post.

Speaking of tabs, seperate windows, etc. Why not just rip the behaviour from webbrowsers?
Middleclick to open new tab (in our case, to open in seperate window and in the tabgroup where we placed it). Under the old system, where doubleclick did what you need shift-doubleclick for now, I almost had that, via having set up a mouse button bound to doubleclick.
Middleclick on a tab to close it. Why do we have to rightclick->close on the tab.
Shiftclick for tab/window is so IE6, so 12 years ago. And doubleclick should never have happened - don't get me started on that combined with low framerate and 'fly by doubleclick'.

Shiftclick detection is not done properly.
If you shiftclick (traditionally: hold shift, click, release shift), it should not begin a shift selection (range selection) in addition to firing the shiftclick action.
This a old EVE problem than is apparent on shiftclick and shift-doubleclick, but has become a lot more noticeable, and a bigger problem, with the huge need to shiftclick/shiftdoubleclick where we previously used doubleclick and neocom. Btw notice that it went from a 1hand action to a coordinated 2-hand action - major user access fail.
Make a dirty hack or something like changing the selection to the item that was shift-(double)clicked when it happens, but put a end to those mis-selections.

Visual:
* added: stack count (not item count). Not that useful, eats space.
* added: price estimate based on regional traded average (probably taken from '5day running average'). Woefully wrong and misleading of 'true' value in most regions. Much more so for all but the most mundane massively traded items.
* removed: vertical window realestate to accommodate the pricebar and stack count. Amazingly noone bothered to place the stackcount in the vicinity of the volume bar or in the same bar as those 3 small view-change buttons in the top right.
* changed: moved and resized the volume and volumebar into 1 line with the search field, saving a small amount of vertical window realestate.

Use:
* removed: rightclick to open ship maintenance bay while docked (active or not). Give it back.
* removed: rightclick to open (ship) corp hangar array (tabgroup) while docked (active or not). Give it back.
* removed: rightclick to open ore bay (both docked and undocked, active or not). Give back.
* missing: keybind options for the 3 above for active ship. Should have been in from day one of those bays existance.
* removed: neocom access (button) for opening the ship-window.
Partial workaround is using the "merge... into station service" and hitting the ship tab.
Primary workaround: using the keybind option (default is alt-n).
* missing: option to disable pricebar or option to default it to compacted/disabled.
Wonder why it was not a button or mouseover tip in the same horizontal bar as the 3 view-change buttons (icongrid and the other 2), that would have taken up less space and only calculated when necessary.
* removed and partially brought back: rightclick in space to open corp hangars. Only opens division 1, not like the old, where you got a tabgroup window with a tab for each division. Needs to come back to old behaviour + needs bind option.

Lots of inconsistencies.
Example, have a number of 'open x' bind options in the ESC menu:
current ship cargo bay (insanely this was not defaulted to alt-c)
hangar floor
inventory
And then there is the neocom button for inventory.

The first 2, 'open cargo hold of active ship' and 'open hangar floor' work like you would expect under the old system - that is to say, they do what they say and do it where you last had them open(*).
The 'open inventory' bind opens in a 3rd window, but shows the cargo of the current ship. This one is apparently home of some new 'primary window' asshattery, but as with the rest of the UI its behaviour is completely undocumented - trial and error applies.
The neocom button is bordering on erratic and does not act like the 'open inventory' bind, except in the case that you have no active inventory windows (bays/containers of any sort) whether they be open or minimized.
So those last 2, whatever they intended with them, are absolutely last resort.

Another thing, lingering copy of ship cargo bay, when using doubleclick-looting (doubleclick to open, then loot all).

Station containers/containers in station or corphangar(orca): Doubleclick / rightclick->open and shift doubleclick / rightclick->shift-open:
This one ugly mix. Strongly suggest that the shift-action becomes the standard as it grants the best fuctionality. That is, swap the 2 actions.
For mass-looting in space, the non-shift action is currently the fastest and least cluttering (due to removal of autotabbing of wrecks and jet/lootcans - UI people clearly never played with that part of the game or are sick sadistic pigs), but for station/hangar management it plain sucks.

The above pretty much sums up the bare needed here-and-now needs for the inventory. I would not call it final end-all, so much could be changed in terms of use and functionality and look, but as i said its here and now stuff that makes it less bad.
Dealing with that would go a long way. And yay, you avoided a plain simple 'ROLL IT ALL BACK'. Just give us as good and conveniently accessed functionality and give back the stolen window space...
Prove that you have not turned on us, that you will keep changing it until we are happy with it, or at least stop being unhappy about it.

I just remembered I had this... Some things never change, and this summs this latest feature set up just as well as a lot of the previous ones...

CCP Development Process

I have been one of the most vocal people calling for fixes in every official thread about the UI, including the original SISI thread. I have tolerated nothing jackass... Please excuse me for expressing some relief when some fixes get out of the door. I didn't realize I was pissing on your parade.

Hey maul, it's that last sentence which i was referring to mainly. Look at what you wrote. "Remember guys, we still have more fixes ahead of us after this patch". Yeah its speech like that which gets us sub par products from CCP. That is tolerating a broken system. How many months are we forced to deal with frankly a **** product. Comments like that show that we as a player base will tolerate them not fully testing out new features before going live with them. This lets us act as their beta testers while paying for it. Thats the point I'm trying to make. Seriously how long do we have to wait to see if we get something resembling the same functionality of the old ui? The new ui is prettier but aside from that it is slower, and takes more actions to do the same things the old ui did in far less actions and at a faster rate.

I dunno if you noticed the devs have stopped communicating with us which leads me to believe they are satisfied with this steaming pile of ****. They succeeded in dividing the player base between 1000 UI threads and people have finally gotten tired of telling CCP the same thing over and over again.

New UI slower .....check
New UI more click intensive.........check
Devs not clearly defining what they are going to do to get this serviceable...........check
Devs out of touch with their playerbase............ double check

how long do we have to put up with this piece of ****?

Takes me at least triple the amount of time it used to.

Whatever moron or moron team managed to get this thing in the game deserves to get hanged by the balls.

Fooking ****** designers and stupid marketeers and graphic designers that guide the game.

It's about time you start focusing on what eve really is: a sandbox.


We don't need ******* clothing nor do we need new shades and engine trails, we need a game that works.

I think the wrong people go fired at CCP cause the useless bunch seems to be still there, including CCP Hilmar that managed yet another screw up

Worst is the lack of reasonable WHYs.

How could you think it was ready? Clearly it was not.

How could you think it was good or better? Again, point by point comparison, things take more actions and some mouseonly ways were removed. Some things are slower(loadtime), some are very inconvenient.

If you knew it was bad, why didn't you take heed?

Why didn't you take heed anyway?

If you thought it was good enough to ignore all that, why could you not communicate that better?

Why did we have to go so far to get the few concessions we have so far?

Why couldn't you see its flaws and show that your can see *and correct* your own mistakes?

Why are we left with the sneaky feeling that no analysis of use and comparison with the old was made?

Have you thought about how crippling it is to your credibility? Do you have some sort of madman at the helm who thinks Machiavelli's books are meant to understood as manuals, much like politicians think '1984' is a goal and not a warning to all.
You know the cliches of bad leaders:
'if you cant be loved, be feared'. 'never admit a mistake'. 'pick something and stick to it (no matter how disasterous)', ...

There is just no way to honestly recruit people to join us in eve when something like this happens and you seem to keep doing it and only backtrack a bit when things *ssplode.
Is it perhaps some deranged form of markething-think that scaring-people-way-PR is better than no PR?

And that is not even going into how miserable and unwilling to keep at it that you can make us with bad changes.

We play eve *despite* the client being such a cranky arthritic fossil. "new" customers are used to better UI, performance and data presentation