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It's quite obvious Ribikoka, travelbuoy, Untouchable heart, and Ta-dam are alts. Because I refuse to believe that more than one person can have possibly missed all the well spelled out reasons why the proposal won't work yet seem to have no problems understanding a cryptic question that Rib wrote that nobody whose native language is English can decipher.

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If you really want an explanation and a solution (which is doubtful), here it is again:

First, what I am NOT talking about…
Let’s use your Good Rhetorical Question. Why disturb a cloaked pilot? You are right that, usually, there is no need to disturb cloaked pilots because they at their keyboards having fun playing EvE, and that’s wonderful! As you know, that’s NOT what these many people are asking to be changed/fixed. Because AFK cloaked ships are NOT a problem when in EMPIRE, when in their own alliance space in NULL, or when they are being used by an ACTIVE player (i.e. – by someone sitting at their computer pushing buttons or taking intel notes). We’re talking, instead, about the EXTENDED AFK.

Why disturb the pilot who cloaks his ships and goes AFK? We all know cloaked ships are an excellent tactic when used by an “awake” enemy pilot. HOWEVER, when the cloaked pilot is not at the keys FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME (which I will define as 2-4+ hours), the cloaked ship/pilot are NEVER serving a tactical purpose for “gathering intel” or whatever fabricated excuse was offered by the earlier poasters who follow these practices. Once the AFK lasts for AN EXTENDED PERIOD, their sole or primary purpose becomes causing grief and interfering with normal game play by the other people in system (both blues and hostiles who are trying to get an accurate count of the tactical situation). As noted, this does violate EULA and many believe it to be a broken mechanic due to lack of an effective “counter measure” being available to the system sovereignty holder (blues).

How does the AFK ship violate EULA when cloaked in hostile territory? It is the exact same principle as EULA forbidding the mining bots or the ratting bots, except the cloaky doesn’t even require a “bot”. A EULA violation results from (1) a pilot who is NOT AT HIS COMPUTER, (2) who leaves his ship (neut or red) in enemy system, (3) for sole purpose of causing grief and annoyance and/or to impede normal game play by his enemy. [For example, a Player puts his cloaked alt character into his enemy’s system right before he leaves for work in the morning and the Player leaves his computer running all day with the Alt Char online all day until the next down time without attending his keyboard except when he gets home for about 10 minutes to push a button before he leaves again to go out to the local pub for drinks and a party. (The Net Result of “tactical intel” being advocated by many people in this thread results in EIGHTEEN HOURS (18 hours) of cloaked enemy (RED or NEUT) in his enemy’s sovereign system or office system vs. TEN MINUTE (10 minutes) with the Player at his keyboard … not exactly what I would call “intel gathering”, but obviously trying to deliver grief.)]
I particularly enjoyed the earlier question: Isn’t this the same as turning on a freighter to auto pilot 30 jumps across Empire?” Guess what… that Freighter is “at risk” of being ambushed and is “in play” while the AFK Cloaker is never “at risk” while cloaked.

SUMMARY: Why disturb the cloaked pilot?
1. He is interfering with normal game play while not “at risk”;
2. He is violating EULA.

PROPOSED SOLUTION: Confidentially Tag the Offending Player for his EULA VIOLATION. Let the GM or automation kick the AFK CLOAKER, resulting in emergency warp. Is he "afraid" to log back in due to "risk"? Doubtful, since he can immediately cloak up, again. Anyways, this solution is simple- Just use the same mechanic already in effect for EULA Violations when a player posts kiddie porn or uses offensive language in LOCAL. Both types of conduct are reportable as a EULA violation.

Perhaps this will take time for GM to police, but perhaps it takes less time than programming a simple timer to fix this game mechanic. As noted above, CCP does have ways to track when the account is online and inactive, which can be used by the GM to quickly identify and silently boot/bounce the AFK player’s account so he has to relog… Heaven only knows this game causes enough unintentional “emergency warps” that a few like this to encourage fairness shouldn’t be a problem. Whenever the Coding is rewritten, a more permanent solution should become available, so this is only a stop gap solution.

We've answered this question over and over, and here is the answer again.
AFK tag causes problems for everyone, not just AFK cloakies. examples below:



Also, it wont work for the below reasons:




Also, AFK cloakies are not in violation of the EULA. That is rediculous. They're not actively doing anything, so how can they be greifing? Also, greifing is defined as a repeated act against one particular player. AFK cloakies presence effects everyone in that system, and if they leave that system the cloaky doesn't follow one particular player. If they did happen to follow one particular player it STILL wouldn't be greifing because out in low or nullsec, even if he were just waiting for the right time to strike, that is what those spaces are for... PvP.

Its already been suggested the GMs police it, which is also rediculous. Do you really think they have the time to try and futily figure out who is and who isn't at their keyboard? Even if they could somehow tell (which they cant) it would be a massive waste of resources.

corrected a typo
ISD Dosnix

And start to spamming all pilot their scanner button within 2 seconds which instanlty should be make lagfests.
No.

This is just untruth thing and evading.

First, suicide ganking not equal with ambush when cloaker pick target and attack his target after uncloak!!!
Arduemont *snip* go to high sec and learn what is suicide ganking and who will potential victims.

Second. Not easier to pick targets, because the attackers dont know who used another clients or doing anything while open a communication software. So, this preparation blabla just a big lie.

"Everyone knows why would be disturb the AFK tag some cloaky fags, who lying in this topic "I'm AFK at enemy systems and i cant kill anyone when i'm AFK", because they would be lost the chances to terrorizing active players in AFK."

Edit: keep calm, there is no reason for flaming or other Personal attacks
ISD Dosnix

Repeat.
Just i said. It's time to create something what is should be change this bad game mechanic where a cloaker can hide in enemy system and can went out from his PC, 23 hours time long, without risk.

Need solution for handling this. Capacitor useage for cloak, or fuel usage. Counter ship (seek and destroy) or AFK tag.
But cloaking is not against EULA. Cloakers just need real counters after they went to AFK very long time in cloak and when cloakers not really play just plagued systems in AFK 24/7 long time without play.

Maybe the emergent game play solution here is for you to offer up a portion of your pve gains to your renter corp, so that they go patrol your space to give you some security.
Or just get used to red cloakers. Welcome to null. If you think your problems are unique to you, think again.

Skip my wall of text.
Read the SOLUTION (SEE ABOVE).
Pick it up.
Run with it, Mr. Council Man.

Further constructive suggestion:
If you don't want to have a GM click 2 buttons (this isn't drafting response to a petition, is it?), then AUTOMATE THE BUTTON to activate the booting 2 hours after the report but ONLY if the AFK CLOAKER remains inactive in the same system where he was first reported as an EXTENDED AFK CLOAKER (2+ hours afk) to CCP. This would cause auto boot 4+ hours into his AFK mode.

You think the RISK to cloaky is unfari? An AFK Cloaky has risk of getting discovered in an automated Emergency d/c warp out? Well, that probably depends on where he parked himself AFK, but I'd say the risk is minimal. Oh, wai... do you want a role with no risk, Mr. Cloaky? Are you AFRAID, Mr. Cloaky? LOL. Even the Psychological warfare could have a counter. I love it.

p.s. - Making a constructive suggestion in here seems to always cause trolling and personal attack. So, you win, Mr. Troll. I'm not renting and I'm not going "back to Empire". Instead, I'll simply say:
I have played EvE continuously for over 6 years, and in all parts of the map. One thing remains constant. Wherever players gather together near a resource, you have people doing EXTENDED CLOAKY AFK looking for ganks. Since there is no counter for this with game mechanics, the best solution is simply not to undock or to move to another system. Moving is easy for the large alliances who control the Council. It's not so easy for the small guys. [atm, my main is associated with a larger alliance. so this isn't really hurting me personally, atm. I'm posting because I think the mechanic is broken, and has been broken for many years due to the way the cloak mechanism was coded.] IF a council member takes up this cause to investigate a solution with CCP, he will have my utmost respect and appreciation.

Oh noes. Yet another cap consume cloaking suggestion.
How original.

How about you stop trying to nerf my play style of intel collection (recording the screen forever) and all the other comments that other people have mentioned like relative safety of cloakers in station of log off.

Your whining ( of just the 2 of you and your alts ) is what everyone deals with in nullsec.
You got a bum deal, you rented a fringe system from a big alliance. Surprise surprise. These alliances treat these systems like ghetto properties by the train tracks. IE get whatever sucker to pay to rent it as they can't be bothered to defend it themselves.

I used to argue for a counter to cloakers too (google it) before I realized the legitimacy of intel collection and nullsec noob terrorizing. Which is valid tactics in null. ( yes. Valid. Just like ninja salvaging )

So just HTFU.
(I hate using that term, but nothing else sums it up as well)